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Charlotte Hornets select Frank Kaminsky over Justise Winslow


I am too disappointed to think about him starting or not. Still just shaking my head.


in defense of not taking winslow:

winslow is an undersized sf or a non-shooting, weak handled sg whichever way you prefer to look at it. i keep seeing 6'6", he measured at 6'4". his 3pt shooting is not as good as advertised when you see that he went 57% in the 4 rounds of the tournament. he was only slightly about 35% for the year. he is pretty lousy at every other jump shot on the floor and can't shoot ft's. this does not suggest he will be a good nba shooter. not mkg or tony allen bad, but not a threat either. his defense and heart are outstanding as well as his ability to switch in defensive rotations. but, at 6'4" he can't be expected to regularly switch onto alot of sf's and pf's. i know k comped him to d-wade but wade is a much better rim attacker and mid range guy. i see winslow as a smaller version of mkg.

however, i have to think there was a trade out there to be made. i know twitter said cho was talking to boston and phoenix. but, i guess we will never know.

i have really lost faith in the hornets draft process.

what i would have done: taken winslow, slotted him at backup sf and let him develop for the year. at worst he is either a great trade asset, mkg injury insurance or batum leaving insurance. at best he turns into what coach k sees.

like i always say, as fans we are not privy to scouting or workouts. we don't have any personal contact with these guys and don't have any clue about what direction the FO is taking in the short term. i like to extend the benefit of the doubt, but i grow weary of cho always defaulting to the "stretch 4/5" guy.


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    Mich_Mercer
    Jun 25 2015 11:47 PM
    I rather pair Zeller with Big Al and Frank with Biz. So I guess I rather see Zeller start. However, I think Frank will be the better player as soon as this season.
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    BrotherDave
    Jun 26 2015 12:00 AM

    I rather pair Zeller with Big Al and Frank with Biz. So I guess I rather see Zeller start. However, I think Frank will be the better player as soon as this season.

    You're on it I think.  No way Frank and Al share court time unless we like giving up 110 pts a game.  Frank and Biz are very compelling though.  Frank's passing and shooting won't be needed in the starting lineup with Batum hopefully. 

    Frank N' Biz.   I already like it. 

    Actually yeah you guys are right *goes back to sleep*
    Also wonder if we ever could see Kemba/Lamb/Batum/MKG/Frank
    That would be interesting
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    Mich_Mercer
    Jun 26 2015 12:29 AM
    I could see that. That could be a fun lineup to watch. I'd really like to see what Lamb can do with actual minutes.

    I like Frank N' Biz too! Haha (we must resign Biz, if only for that).

    With his poor Defence, which is due to his physical limitations not effort or BBIQ, I very much doubt Frank will start. I assume we'll use him as the Offensive focal point of our second unit, with Biz protecting the rim and compensating for his deficiencies and visa versa.

    I am too disappointed to think about him starting or not.  Still just shaking my head.

    I am too disappointed to think about him starting or not.  Still just shaking my head.

     

    in defense of not taking winslow:

     

    winslow is an undersized sf or a non-shooting, weak handled sg whichever way you prefer to look at it. i keep seeing 6'6", he measured at 6'4". his 3pt shooting is not as good as advertised when you see that he went 57% in the 4 rounds of the tournament. he was only slightly about 35% for the year. he is pretty lousy at every other jump shot on the floor and can't shoot ft's. this does not suggest he will be a good nba shooter. not mkg or tony allen bad, but not a threat either. his defense and heart are outstanding as well as his ability to switch in defensive rotations. but, at 6'4" he can't be expected to regularly switch onto alot of sf's and pf's. i know k comped him to d-wade but wade is a much better rim attacker and mid range guy. i see winslow as a smaller version of mkg.

     

    however, i have to think there was a trade out there to be made. i know twitter said cho was talking to boston and phoenix. but, i guess we will never know.

     

    i have really lost faith in the hornets draft process.

     

    what i would have done: taken winslow, slotted him at backup sf and let him develop for the year. at worst he is either a great trade asset, mkg injury insurance or batum leaving insurance. at best he turns into what coach k sees.

     

    like i always say, as fans we are not privy to scouting or workouts. we don't have any personal contact with these guys and don't have any clue about what direction the FO is taking in the short term. i like to extend the benefit of the doubt, but i grow weary of cho always defaulting to the "stretch 4/5" guy. 

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    Veteran_Picksetter
    Jun 26 2015 05:25 AM

    in defense of not taking winslow:

     

    winslow is an undersized sf or a non-shooting, weak handled sg whichever way you prefer to look at it. i keep seeing 6'6", he measured at 6'4". his 3pt shooting is not as good as advertised when you see that he went 57% in the 4 rounds of the tournament. he was only slightly about 35% for the year. he is pretty lousy at every other jump shot on the floor and can't shoot ft's. this does not suggest he will be a good nba shooter. not mkg or tony allen bad, but not a threat either. his defense and heart are outstanding as well as his ability to switch in defensive rotations. but, at 6'4" he can't be expected to regularly switch onto alot of sf's and pf's. i know k comped him to d-wade but wade is a much better rim attacker and mid range guy. i see winslow as a smaller version of mkg.

     

    however, i have to think there was a trade out there to be made. i know twitter said cho was talking to boston and phoenix. but, i guess we will never know.

     

    i have really lost faith in the hornets draft process.

     

    what i would have done: taken winslow, slotted him at backup sf and let him develop for the year. at worst he is either a great trade asset, mkg injury insurance or batum leaving insurance. at best he turns into what coach k sees.

     

    like i always say, as fans we are not privy to scouting or workouts. we don't have any personal contact with these guys and don't have any clue about what direction the FO is taking in the short term. i like to extend the benefit of the doubt, but i grow weary of cho always defaulting to the "stretch 4/5" guy. 

     

    One thing about Winslow and the size thing: He measured with good length for a Small Forward, right up there with MKG. And we know he is strong. So I personally don't see his size as an issue.

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    Veteran_Picksetter
    Jun 26 2015 05:28 AM

    Winslow's standing reach is at 8'8" with a 6'10" wingspan. That will get it done as a 3-man. 

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    Veteran_Picksetter
    Jun 26 2015 05:30 AM

    in defense of not taking winslow:

     

    winslow is an undersized sf or a non-shooting, weak handled sg whichever way you prefer to look at it. i keep seeing 6'6", he measured at 6'4". his 3pt shooting is not as good as advertised when you see that he went 57% in the 4 rounds of the tournament. he was only slightly about 35% for the year. he is pretty lousy at every other jump shot on the floor and can't shoot ft's. this does not suggest he will be a good nba shooter. not mkg or tony allen bad, but not a threat either. his defense and heart are outstanding as well as his ability to switch in defensive rotations. but, at 6'4" he can't be expected to regularly switch onto alot of sf's and pf's. i know k comped him to d-wade but wade is a much better rim attacker and mid range guy. i see winslow as a smaller version of mkg.

     

    however, i have to think there was a trade out there to be made. i know twitter said cho was talking to boston and phoenix. but, i guess we will never know.

     

    i have really lost faith in the hornets draft process.

     

    what i would have done: taken winslow, slotted him at backup sf and let him develop for the year. at worst he is either a great trade asset, mkg injury insurance or batum leaving insurance. at best he turns into what coach k sees.

     

    like i always say, as fans we are not privy to scouting or workouts. we don't have any personal contact with these guys and don't have any clue about what direction the FO is taking in the short term. i like to extend the benefit of the doubt, but i grow weary of cho always defaulting to the "stretch 4/5" guy. 

    And yes, it seems he would have made perfect sense as MKG's backup in year one, with the opportunity for more PT when MKG inevitably gets injured.

    One thing about Winslow and the size thing: He measured with good length for a Small Forward, right up there with MKG. And we know he is strong. So I personally don't see his size as an issue.

     

    mkg is bigger and has trouble with the bigger sf's. winslow will really struggle there. reach or not, he is a short sf.

    1. Kaminsky should start as he is way more skilled offensively than Cody will ever be, and not only that he will not be gun shy to take that Wiiiide Open jumper at the top of the key, that everybody gives cody before he puts the ball on the floor just to give it up or go tumbling under the hoop. 

     

    2. Justice Winslow....I really don't get it. And by I mean where all this hype is coming from. Dude's midrange game is non-existent, and can basically only hit a 3 from a particular spot on the court. Yes he's a demon in the open floor, but so is MKG, and we have already invested quality time in him. On the other hand the worse thing you can really say about Frank the Tank is that he's a sub-par defender.

     

     

     

    Basically, just think about all the wide open shots cody passed up on, and replace him with Frank, our offense becomes way more efficient. 

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    Veteran_Picksetter
    Jun 26 2015 07:21 AM

    1. Kaminsky should start as he is way more skilled offensively than Cody will ever be, and not only that he will not be gun shy to take that Wiiiide Open jumper at the top of the key, that everybody gives cody before he puts the ball on the floor just to give it up or go tumbling under the hoop. 

     

    2. Justice Winslow....I really don't get it. And by I mean where all this hype is coming from. Dude's midrange game is non-existent, and can basically only hit a 3 from a particular spot on the court. Yes he's a demon in the open floor, but so is MKG, and we have already invested quality time in him. On the other hand the worse thing you can really say about Frank the Tank is that he's a sub-par defender.

     

     

     

    Basically, just think about all the wide open shots cody passed up on, and replace him with Frank, our offense becomes way more efficient. 

    You gotta have guys who excel on both sides of the ball, in my humble opinion, to compete in the playoffs. And don't forget Winslow is 3 years younger than Kaminsky. What was Frank doing as a freshman?

       I don't know this gives Biz a job or not . We all ready have three p/fs beside Frank . I really hope we keep Biz but could see Frank backing up big AL and letting Biz walk. We really need to move M Williams or Cody

    I don't know this gives Biz a job or not . We all ready have three p/fs beside Frank . I really hope we keep Biz but could see Frank backing up big AL and letting Biz walk. We really need to move M Williams or Cody


    Not sure I agree dav7z.
    I see the Cs as Al & Hawes (hopefully Biz too) and the PFs as Cody & Frank (with Marvin backing up both forward spots unless/until he's traded).
    I don't see Hawes at the 4 and consider Cody/Frank as strictly small ball 5s.
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    InProblematique
    Jun 26 2015 08:09 AM

    As others have already said, Kaminsky is already a better offensive player than Cody, and I don't think it's even particularly close. If we had a well-rounded starting center, he'd be the starter right off the block.

     

    But his fit makes more sense with Biz. Putting Frank next to Al wouldn't be great. I don't think Frank will get as bombarded on defense as pretty much everyone else, but he'll be a mediocre to average defender at best. After this season when Al is gone though, Frank should be starting.

        Not getting the angst against this guy. Our offense turned south in a hurry after McRoberts departed. This guy is a very good passer, which was McRoberts real strength. He is a way better shooter than McRoberts. I think he'll be a great fit!  I can tell you he's the guy the Utah Jazz wanted... More on him here.  http://www.si.com/nb...arlotte-hornets

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    InProblematique
    Jun 26 2015 08:20 AM

        Not getting the angst against this guy. Our offense turned south in a hurry after McRoberts departed. This guy is a very good passer, which was McRoberts real strength. He is a way better shooter than McRoberts. I think he'll be a great fit!  I can tell you he's the guy the Utah Jazz wanted... More on him here.  http://www.si.com/nb...arlotte-hornets

    A lot of teams wanted him. Even the Knicks were really high on him, and I saw a couple of mocks that sent him to New York that high. He was high on a lot of draft boards. People here are just being completely irrational. 

    I rather pair Zeller with Big Al and Frank with Biz. So I guess I rather see Zeller start. However, I think Frank will be the better player as soon as this season.

    Where's Hawes factor into your plan there?

     

    See, this is why I detest the pick right now...  We have a gluttony of bigs right now.  If we trade Al, I would pretty much convert to completely loving the pick.  As of right this minute though, it makes absolutely no sense. 

    But, knowing our FO, they aren't gonna trade Al, it most likely will be Cody...  which would also piss me off.  Hawes/Zeller and Frank/Biz is so appealing to me.

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    InProblematique
    Jun 26 2015 08:28 AM

    Where's Hawes factor into your plan there?

     

    See, this is why I detest the pick right now...  We have a gluttony of bigs right now.  If we trade Al, I would pretty much convert to completely loving the pick.  As of right this minute though, it makes absolutely no sense. 

    But, knowing our FO, they aren't gonna trade Al, it most likely will be Cody...  which would also piss me off.  Hawes/Zeller and Frank/Biz is so appealing to me.

    The draft isn't built for one season. Al's gone after this year. We need to prepare for that.

    The draft isn't built for one season. Al's gone after this year. We need to prepare for that.

    I know, but so does that mean one of those 5 bigs sit all of this season to wait their turn? lol

     

    Nevermind, I forgot Clifford is the coach...  So Frank will be designated to the pine.

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    InProblematique
    Jun 26 2015 08:34 AM

    I know, but so does that mean one of those 5 bigs sit all of this season to wait their turn? lol

     

    Nevermind, I forgot Clifford is the coach...  So Frank will be designated to the pine.

    I'm confused about what you think would have happened if we drafted Winslow, then.

    The draft isn't built for one season. Al's gone after this year. We need to prepare for that.

     

    i hear what you are saying, but if cho is operating under the same assumption then it makes no sense to keep him. the other bigs (except for biz) are contractually here for several seasons. 

     

    if the hornets don't have intentions of bringing al back, they need to move him.

    I know, but so does that mean one of those 5 bigs sit all of this season to wait their turn? lol

    Nevermind, I forgot Clifford is the coach... So Frank will be designated to the pine.

    yeah, maybe. Hopefully Hawes




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