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Thoughts on the Charlotte Hornets trading back in the 2014 draft


Here is a thought:

What if the Charlotte Hornets traded back # 9 and #24 to the Phoenix Suns for the 14th and the 18th draft picks.

I think that at the #14 and #18 draft positions we would still have an excellent chance at getting two of the players that we may be targeting like Adreian Payne or Rodney Hood.

What do you guys think?


  • 46 Comments

    Good idea but they would have to give more than that. Still  I really don't want to trade back,maybe move up on the 24 pick . I would love if we had 3 first rounders but thats probally not gonna happen.

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    BPfromfrance
    Jun 05 2014 04:19 PM

    Thought
    Trade back # 9 and #24 to for the Suns for the 14th and the 18th . 
     What do you guys think .  I think we would have better chances of getting two targeted players


    I think that loosing 5 spots on top of the draft is more than gaining 6 spots in the mid late 1rnd so I would definitively ask more, maybe the 27th they also have


    Beside that, I'll be fine if it allows us to get players that fit the team better. For example, I think Tyler Ennis is a perfect backup for kemba and we definitively need a backup PG, it's probably better to get him at 14 if available than using the 9th pick and than grab a backup SF like Warren or Anderson at 18 (just examples..)

     

    It all depends on what other teams do on draft day

    I am of the opinion that until we see this FO trade back, then they will continue to work in the same direction they have shown us so far: Either working our way UP in the draft or taking guys, critically speaking 'above their draft position,' because we don't like to get cute.
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    @JPlowright_NBA
    Jun 05 2014 05:04 PM

    I think that loosing 5 spots on top of the draft is more than gaining 6 spots in the mid late 1rnd so I would definitively ask more, maybe the 27th they also have


    Beside that, I'll be fine if it allows us to get players that fit the team better. For example, I think Tyler Ennis is a perfect backup for kemba and we definitively need a backup PG, it's probably better to get him at 14 if available than using the 9th pick and than grab a backup SF like Warren or Anderson at 18 (just examples..)

     

    It all depends on what other teams do on draft day

     

    I would like to do 9, 24 for 14, 18 and 27, then draft a euro player we can stash with the 27th pick

       I was just thinking Hood and Harriston  would both fit in that range . The two players  I feel we have showed the most interest in . I kinda doubt either would be their at 24th  . Looking at our needs I think 14th and 18th might have more value . Unless it's just one player Cho just has to have at 9. If we could get the 27th two it would be a big win . I would even give up the 45th

    I would like to do 9, 24 for 14, 18 and 27, then draft a euro player we can stash with the 27th pick

     

    Yeah, I wouldn't mind that. 

     

    It really boils down to who they value and how much more they value certain players than others. If they didn't have a clear favorite at 9 or the pick was only marginally better than the next five potential picks, I'd love to trade back.

    There are only a couple of reputable sites that have tried to quantify value for each NBA pick and I'll link them. It's interesting that one site has a higher value for #9+#24+#45 while the second site has slightly higher value for $14+#18+#27. Cho has never given an indication that he'd trade back in his tenure but who can say what this year might bring.

     

    http://www.basketbal...om/blog/?p=2740

     

    http://www.82games.c...adraftpicks.htm

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    @JPlowright_NBA
    Jun 05 2014 06:38 PM

    There are only a couple of reputable sites that have tried to quantify value for each NBA pick and I'll link them. It's interesting that one site has a higher value for #9+#24+#45 while the second site has slightly higher value for $14+#18+#27. Cho has never given an indication that he'd trade back in his tenure but who can say what this year might bring.

     

    http://www.basketbal...om/blog/?p=2740

     

    http://www.82games.c...adraftpicks.htm

     

    I don't think any front office goes into the draft thinking "we want to trade back", I think each team just reacts to the opportunities presented to them. If Cho is given a choice to trade back which he feels would benefit the team I am sure he would pull the trigger

    I don't think any front office goes into the draft thinking "we want to trade back", I think each team just reacts to the opportunities presented to them. If Cho is given a choice to trade back which he feels would benefit the team I am sure he would pull the trigger

    Plow...I don't disagree but the only year I remember Cho having the opportunity, if the reports were correct, was with the #7 he used on Biz. Reports said the Rockets offered him the #14 and #23. He kept the pick and used it to take Biz so that's all I have to go on.

     We could pick up 3 quality players  if we could pull something like that off.  I really don't think #9 is much better than #14 in this deep of draft. Thanks BRNC

     I could really see Cho pulling something like this off'.

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    Mike Kidd-Trilchrist
    Jun 05 2014 10:18 PM

    Thought

    Trade back # 9 and #24 to for the Suns for the 14th and the 18th . 

     What do you guys think .  I think we would have better chances of getting two targeted players

     

    I'm not sure I would do that but if I did I would take Payne at 14 and unless Harris fell take Warren at 18 (if he is there).

    We could pick up 3 quality players if we could pull something like that off. I really don't think #9 is much better than #14 in this deep of draft. Thanks BRNC
    I could really see Cho pulling something like this off'.


    This seems relevant, if you don't think there's a value difference between the 9 & 14, why would a GM? Especially to then give three first round picks for two with that as the carrot.
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    BPfromfrance
    Jun 06 2014 03:20 AM

    This seems relevant, if you don't think there's a value difference between the 9 & 14, why would a GM? Especially to then give three first round picks for two with that as the carrot.

    Suns could fall in love with someone at 9

     

    That's why I'm thinking trading down depends on what other teams do...

     

    But with agents talking to GMs all the time, I think on draft day, GMs have an idea of who other teams wants to pick. So if the Suns feel their guy is gone at 14, maybe they trade up

    It's an option I favour if there are multiple players the front office likes and they don't perceive the value to be much different.
    If they'd be equally/similarly happy with Stauskas, Harris, Payne, Ennis or Young (for example) then you do it and also enjoy the chance to grab another good player at 18.
    Of course that could all change if someone you really like drops ...

    http://www.nba.com/2...urgh/index.html

     

    In this draft I see the top 8 players  set in stone  in all most ever draft.,  Then I see no other player standing out  as a clear cut ninth pick.  With the next  2o  players in a pack  depending on who you want.  No one in my eyes is a clear cut choice for the next few spots.  But the Suns might have a player they don't want to take a chance of missing out on.

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    The Prodigy
    Jun 06 2014 10:22 AM

    I think at least one or two of the "top 8" fall to us at 9. There is ALWAYS a surprise pick early on. So what it boils down to is whether or not our FO likes the guy who falls. If they do, we stay put and take them. If not, we can try to see if we can start a bidding war for a move down.

    Minnie got #14&#21 for #9 last year in a much weaker draft. I guess it would take 14&18 for Phoenix to get our pick.

    Next step should be packaging 18 and 24 to move up again :P

    For the record, Barring one of the top 7 players dropping to 9, I would trade 9 & 24 for 14 & 18 & 27 in a heartbeat.

    James Young and Adreiean Payne maybe?

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    InProblematique
    Jun 06 2014 05:30 PM

    Yeah, 14, 18, and 27 would be pretty great. Assuming Stauskas doesn't fall to 14, grab Adreian Payne. Draft P.J. Hairston with 18, then maybe get our back-up PG with 27. Jordan Clarkson would be my pick there.

     

    That'd be pretty sick. But I like Stauskas so much that I don't want to miss out on him. Tough call, because I'm a huge Payne fan too. 

     

    Either way, this is easily the most complicated draft I've ever seen for the Hornets. They're a couple of pieces away from being very dangerous, and this draft is going to be the catalyst for the future of our franchise. We need scoring badly, and Staus, Payne, Hairston, and Clarkson are all very good scorers. 

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    InProblematique
    Jun 06 2014 05:33 PM

    For the record, Barring one of the top 7 players dropping to 9, I would trade 9 & 24 for 14 & 18 & 27 in a heartbeat.

    James Young and Adreiean Payne maybe?

    It'd have to be Payne. Young is a good prospect, but he has A LOT of work to do, and could just flat out bust. So could Payne, but Payne's a lot more refined right now. Plus, with the 18th pick, Hairston will almost definitely still be available at that point, and both Payne and Hairston address our need for shooters right off the bat.

     For the record im all for it . Nick I think goes 11th to 16th  Payne 14th to 2oth  , Harriston  16th  to 25 th   Hood 14th to 22th , Warren   15th to 25th .  Levine 7th to 30th . Hard to get hurt with all the choices

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    Mike Kidd-Trilchrist
    Jun 07 2014 10:18 PM

    Is there really that big of a difference between #s 9 and 15 in this draft?

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    InProblematique
    Jun 08 2014 11:26 PM

    Is there really that big of a difference between #s 9 and 15 in this draft?

    Of course there is. You have the safe picks for players who are probably going to at least have solid careers, possibly even good-to-great careers—Stauskas, Harris, possibly Payne.

     

    You have James Young, who will likely have a good career like the three players listed above, but is a project pick.

     

    You have high reward/high risk picks like LaVine and McDermott.

     

    You have Euros who might not even come over (Saric, Nurkic)

     

    And you have guys on both sides of 9 and 15 that may fall in or out of that range. One of Gordon, Randle, or Smart could still be there. Hood could impress the hell out of teams during workouts, so could Hairston, Ennis, and Warren.

     

    A lot of differences.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/                            Inprob  ,,, very good  post  and I agree with you on a a lot of the players .

     

    But two of the #14 and #18 players  are in your good to great players  you listed . So I see   tons of advantage  trading back .  We have a chance to get two solid  guys as opposed to one. In addition a 27th pick . In this draft it should be some value their to.

     

     Took the mock from DX  with Harris at 14th and Payne 18th . All so I think Nic slides  to 14th to because  of teams having needs like Payne and shooting for greatness in Levine .

    Hears a DX mock to show what im talking about

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    @JPlowright_NBA
    Jun 10 2014 02:06 PM

    Rumor has it the Bulls are looking to trade up to get one of Harris/Stauskas, they have had conversations with Denver about acquiring 11 for 16 and 19. I don't think I would want their picks, but we all know our front office has shown some interest in Taj Gibson before. Personally, I would rather us just keep the pick, but I wonder if we have had conversations surrounding 9 and Taj?