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Looking Ahead: Bismack Biyombo


What is a fair contract for Biz this offseason? Is he replacable for a smaller amount? If so by who?

FWIW here is his stats page:

http://espn.go.com/n...bismack-biyombo

In considering this we shouldn't forget his age, his time playing organized ball and in spite of this being 3rd in the league among qualified players in blocks per minute & block percentage. The two ahead of him are Anthony Davis and Serge Ibaka. Granted the minutes aren't equal but it's still nothing to sneeze at.


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     I really think we can resign him cheap.  I don't think the market is going to offer him much. We should offer 3 years at three per and see what happens . If not let him go to free agency ,,we can match the offer  if it's reasonable . Just don't think the phones will be ringing off the hook. 

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    Mackey_Rose
    Apr 09 2014 09:55 AM

    He's incredibly replaceable.  I don't see any reason to offer him anything above the minimum.  I've seen someone here talk about how much they have invested in him already, but at some point, you need to just cut your losses.

    He's incredibly replaceable.  I don't see any reason to offer him anything above the minimum.  I've seen someone here talk about how much they have invested in him already, but at some point, you need to just cut your losses.

    I definitely think he's worth more than the minimum. He can legitimately anchor a second unit defense and has the potential to be one of the best blockers in the game. It he isn't as bad on offense as he used to be either. 

     

    I'm really not sure what he's worth, but $3-4M seems justified.

    He's 21 years old.   He effectively just graduated college.   Casting him out now is so short sighted.  First time he's had a legit big man mentor on the court.  First time with a returning coaching staff from the previous year.

     

    I keep hearing replaceable but his per 36 numbers given his minutes decrease this year are really good.   12.8 boards, 2.8 blocks per game.  That's good enough for 15th in the entire league, and 7th in the league respectively. How is that replaceable?   His FG percentage has risen to a solid level at .609.  

     

     

    Again, he's 21.  You've raised him up, he's objectively getting better, and he packs decent numbers into his now truncated minutes.  I'd give him 20 over 4 with the last year as a team option and be fine with it.   He won't get that much, and thats even better, but I would be willing to go that high.   I would consider wrapping 17 million dollars into Kemba and Biz solid spending, and if its less than that awesome. 

     

     

    We paid Ben Gordon 14 million a year for 2 years for nothing but you won't pay a young blossoming contributor?

    I'd like to see some examples of what some think we could theoretically get at a better value.

    all i said was i wouldn't want to go over 3 million per year. i said he is 80% replaceable at probably close to league minimum. i wouldn't be happy with mustachio's 20/5 option or not. i don't want that kind of money wrapped up in a guy who records dnp: coaches decision fairly frequently.

     

    i would do 4/13 mil with a team option in the 4th year.

    Agree with Mustachio here for sure.

     

    Biz has shown marked improvement in many areas of his game and he is only 21. Nothing huge but he is definitely trending in the right direction. I also don't expect there to be a huge market for him so we should be able to resign him at a good price.   

     

    As far as the replaceable comment goes, I agree and disagree. With Big Al here, our back up center is only going to get about 10-14 minutes per game. While I agree that since it is so few minutes it should be easily replaceable, why wouldn't you want a guy who rates pretty effective per minute who you drafted as an 18 year old (and developed in-house) and has the potential to still improve big time? Statistically, he may be replaceable now, but will he be so replaceable in 3-4 years? 

     

    Also, what about chemistry? Biz evidently gets along with everyone from the players to the coaches and management. They all speak very highly of him and his work ethic. I do not think this can be over-looked.

     

    I think we should, and definitely will, resign him at a reasonable contract that both sides can live with prior to him hitting the open market.

    I would like to target a contract for him at $3.5 million per average. He has averaged around $3M or a little less on his rookie contract so this would represent a 15% ish type raise. Over 4 years, that would be $14 million.

     

    Would the open market pay him much more than that?

    I have zero problems signing Biz to a three to five year deal (the more years being the team's option) at $4-5mm per. I disagree with the statement that he's often a DNPCD, how many for the year? How many since we shipped out Adrien? Biz puts up very intriguing numbers for the minutes he plays. Remember, this is a guy that's still raw and able to do what we expect of a vet, be effective in very limited role with the team.

    I have zero problems signing Biz to a three to five year deal (the more years being the team's option) at $4-5mm per. I disagree with the statement that he's often a DNPCD, how many for the year? How many since we shipped out Adrien? Biz puts up very intriguing numbers for the minutes he plays. Remember, this is a guy that's still raw and able to do what we expect of a vet, be effective in very limited role with the team.

     

    for the season:

     

    dnp: 5

    under 7 min: 7

    8-10 min: 14

     

    total games under 10 min played: 26

    for the season:

    dnp: 5
    under 7 min: 7
    8-10 min: 14

    total games under 10 min played: 26


    So five out of 76 games.
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    Felton for Prez
    Apr 09 2014 12:01 PM

    First off, I still have hope for Biz and would like to keep him around.  The dude works his butt off.  My biggest concern with him is that he still looks lost out there at times and I am concerned that the lightbulb may never turn on.  

     

    I'd go for something like McBob's deal, mid 2's for 2 yrs but instead of a player option for yr 2 make it a team option.  Not sure Biz signs that but I think it's fair and would give the team up to 5yrs with him, with the option to make it only 4 if he doesn't progress enough.

    So five out of 76 games.

     

    yes, i thought there may have been more.

     

    but, i am not in favor of paying someone more than 3 million when they aren't on the court more than 10 minutes for 36% of the season.

    yes, i thought there may have been more.

     

    but, i am not in favor of paying someone more than 3 million when they aren't on the court more than 10 minutes for 36% of the season.

     

     

    That is a very legitimate concern.  But I would consider that to be more Big Al's fault than Biz.   I don't think it necessarily in this situation correctly states his value.   But I do get the point. 

    yes, i thought there may have been more.

     

    but, i am not in favor of paying someone more than 3 million when they aren't on the court more than 10 minutes for 36% of the season.

     

    Agree that is a legit concern.

     

    I am in the camp though that he is continuing to improve and still has long term potential. That has value in itself and means more than just his short term minutes.

    We all know the team needs an offensive upgrade on the wings.  By adding that wouldn't it be safe to assume Biz could be seeing even more minutes in the near future?  Right now we're relying heavily on the C spot for the offense; with the additions at other positions it would allow us to think more about D at the 5.

    Good point about defense which begs the question...

     

    With the game on the line, we all know Al is in the game while Biz sits the bench. We all agree that Al has improved on defense but I certainly say that Biz protects the paint/rim better.

     

    If there were 10 seconds left in a game we were leading by 1 point and the other team had the ball holding for 1 shot (so purely defense) would Biz be better on the floor than Al?

     

    If so, then I think he earns a lot of his paycheck right there.

     

    If not, then why does Al get the minutes when he is an overall inferior defender to Biz (in short bursts)?

     

    I am torn as Al's overall basketball IQ still trumps Biz's ability but I could see that changing over the next year or so. 

    try separating emotion from this equation. we all love biz. he is one of our children and is the middle of growing up. we have stayed with him, we have all the hopes in the world. try answering this question:

     

    if he played on the 76ers right now and was about to be a free agent, what contract figure would prompt you to lose your mind when you read this on twitter:

     

    2 min ago: @chris_broussard sources say @biznation signed _ year/ _ mil contract with hornets

     

    for me 5/20 would cause me to say WTF!

    I don't think it's an emotional thing at all.

     

    Since he plays minimal minutes because of our best offensive player being in front of him you have to look at his production per minute...which is stellar and in the one thing we need most of all (rim defense).

     

    WAM...did you see that Plumlee block on Lebron last night?  I think that's exactly what you're talking about.

    If he is never anything more then he is right now he is worth 4 mil per year.  That is what we are paying neil to be a 3pt specialist, and also seems reasonable for a backup 5.

     

    If he was getting the same minutes as last year and preforming at the rate he does this year he would easily be worth 8 mil per year.  Locking him up for 5 or 6 is a huge win. If he shows even slight improvement next year and it goes to restricted free agency we will be looking at matching 7-8 more then likely. Lots of teams have money and there aren't that many guys to spend it on.  4 years 20 mil is a good first offer, go to 4 years 24 mil if we have to. 

    I don't think it's an emotional thing at all.

     

    Since he plays minimal minutes because of our best offensive player being in front of him you have to look at his production per minute...which is stellar and in the one thing we need most of all (rim defense).

     

    WAM...did you see that Plumlee block on Lebron last night?  I think that's exactly what you're talking about.

     

    yes, but we also have a very large sample size of what he does when he get 20+ minutes per game and when he does the stats don't translate. that is a red flag to me.

    If he is never anything more then he is right now he is worth 4 mil per year.  That is what we are paying neil to be a 3pt specialist, and also seems reasonable for a backup 5.

     

    If he was getting the same minutes as last year and preforming at the rate he does this year he would easily be worth 8 mil per year.  Locking him up for 5 or 6 is a huge win. If he shows even slight improvement next year and it goes to restricted free agency we will be looking at matching 7-8 more then likely. Lots of teams have money and there aren't that many guys to spend it on.  4 years 20 mil is a good first offer, go to 4 years 24 mil if we have to. 

     

    why would you lock up a defensive specialist to 8 mil per year when he anchored a defense that was bottom 4 in the league and as a team only won 21 games?

    Yep Spectre, that Plumlee block is an excellent example.

     

    How many of you can truly see Al making a play like that on LeBron at the end of a game...me either.

     

    But I could see Biz possibly making that play.

    I think this is all kind of a moot point as I suspect he won't be offered more than 3 per from anywhere.  And thats the way I'm looking at it.  

     

    Chef I don't think its fair to base judgement on Biz from the last two seasons.  That was a shit show for everything involved.  Especially for a guy with zero real professional or college experience before that. 

     

    Essentially we would be drafting a college senior with a top 10 pick money wise.   And thats about where he is developmentally.   We are also still paying for potential.  I think we are looking at a 2-5 million per window and I'm happy with that, I just want to keep him around here.

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    QC Thundercats
    Apr 09 2014 03:44 PM

    I'm one of the founding members of the Biz Roast Appreciation Club, and I want to keep him here long term.  But this is one of those cases where you let the market decide his worth.

     

    I don't think you can use his rookie salary as a base for determining his next contract.  The salary is slotted at a certain rate based on draft position, but players underperform their position as frequently as overperforming.  The proper scale to use then is the veteran going rate based on a player's production.

     

    While us fans have seen his growth and know that he still has untapped potential, that understanding is actually an advantage to the once and future Hornets.  In free agency, teams will pay a premium based on potential only if there is a strong general showing with some breakout performances during the year.  But with many GMs being risk adverse, combined with Biz's reduced role, I don't see any of them blowing their extra cap space and trying to sell to their owner and fans a player who's stats have gone down.  Yes, we know the deal, that he has been a strict backup for the painter, but most team's end up putting out an offer based on actual production when the output has been at a minimal level, and save the larger amounts for a safer bet who has broken out a bit more.

     

    We should have every intention to match any offer in free agency.  Cho's database probably has a salary algorithm that knows his value.  Offer that, let him test the market if he likes, as I don't see him getting any offers in the 4-5 million range. 





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