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The 2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets SG Thread


This line of conversation has been trickling through several of the other threads, so rather than talk about it all over the place, lets discuss it here.

The question is: Who is our starting SG for the 2014-2015 season?

Is it Gerald Henderson again? Can he improve enough on the offensive end to become a legitimate threat? At this point in his career, I think that he is what he is.

Is it Jeff Taylor? Coming back from a torn achilles is no joke and he wasn't necessarily setting the world on fire before his injury.

Is it one of our bench players, CDR or Gary Neal?

Is it one of the top 2 SG free agents Gordon Hayward or Lance Stephenson? Hayward seems perfect, but he is an RFA and there are no guarantees that the Jazz are going to give him up. Stephenson is a hell of a player and has superstar potential but is rumored to be a locker room cancer.

Is it someone else from the free agent list? Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Nick Young?

Is it someone available via trade? Jeremy Lamb has been mentioned

Or is it someone that we can get in this year's draft? Gary Harris maybe if someone jumps the Pistons in the draft lottery?

Who is it going to be?


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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 09:11 AM

    If I was positive we couldnt get Melo or any big time FA I would put the Jazz to the test and offer Hayward whatever it took. 

     

    He would be a great 2nd-3rd option. 

     

    With him and Al we are just one big piece away. 

     

    Yes please

     

    Heyward looks Ginobli-ish. Is that a fair comparison?

     

    His numbers look very Brent Barry-ish. (Though Barry didn't score as much as Hayward this season, he was much more efficient. Other numbers look very comparable to Barry in his Seattle time.)

     

    And that's the ish.

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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 10:22 AM

    Hayward is crafty attacking the basket off the dribble similar to Manu. 

     

    Wasnt Barry just a spot up shooter? 

     

    Hayward is Utah's main playmaker, distributer, shooter, and scorer. No one is gonna have great %'s in that situation. 

     

    On a team where he is the 2nd - 3rd option his percentages will improve a lot. 

     

    You can pencil Hayward in for 18ppg, 5assists, 5reb a game. 

    I think Henderson is what he is at this point in his career. I posted links for Henderson and Hayward in another thread and their numbers are very similar over their careers.

     

    I have no issue when folks say that Hayward is probably a better fit for what we need but when people start talking about Hayward as a max player...really. Particularly when we know he'll probably be the third option for the Hornets. What he brings is different than Hendo and would help the team but a max type player...no. Which brings us to what would he actually take and what would Utah insist on in return?

     

    I had hopes we would have some options with the Piston pick but that's a major ping-pong bounce in our favor so I really doubt it happens. Which then leads me to Cho making a trade that gives us better balance on the offensive end. I had hopes that the Neal trade would help, and for moments it has, but I really don't see Neal or any of our back-ups stepping up to the starting SG position.

     

    I don't know who, Lamb was mentioned, Cho can get in a trade and what they night cost us but I think a trade is probably the only way I see a major change for the Hornets.

     

    Addition: I'll answer now so I don't have to answer later...I have no interest in Lance Stephenson...that's just me. I'd rather have him stay with the Pacers.

    Unless Heyward says he won't sign long-term in Utah I doubt they deal him.
    Hayward really really struggled on three pointers this year. That has to be concerning for us if we're going to consider overpaying him. Here are some names:

    Hayward
    Stephenson
    Lamb
    Nik Stauskas
    PJ Hairston
    Garry Harris - would have to move up in draft

    Idk. But yeah I'm done with Henderson.
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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 10:52 AM

    Lamb, Stephenson, and Harris are not the answer. 

    Maybe the answer is not getting a SG, simply because the options aren't great.

    I don't want Stephenson due to his attitude/cancer reputation in Indy and while I think Hayward would be the perfect 2nd or 3rd option, I don't think Utah will let him leave unless someone offers him a dumb contract and I don't want to overpay him. There is always Swaggy P and he had a pretty good season but, he's an LA guy and I bet would rather stay out there( unless we overpay)

    Maybe the answer is another SF (that can stretch the D) and moving MKG to SG.
    The talent at SF is better than at SG with Rudy Gay, Loul Deng, or even a trade for Jeff Green.
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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 11:11 AM

    In regards to SF we have MKG someone we invested a lot in. 

     

    I hope you plan on moving him for assests bringing in the above. 

    Maybe the answer is not getting a SG, simply because the options aren't great.

    I don't want Stephenson due to his attitude/cancer reputation in Indy and while I think Hayward would be the perfect 2nd or 3rd option, I don't think Utah will let him leave unless someone offers him a dumb contract and I don't want to overpay him. There is always Swaggy P and he had a pretty good season but, he's an LA guy and I bet would rather stay out there( unless we overpay)

    Maybe the answer is another SF (that can stretch the D) and moving MKG to SG.
    The talent at SF is better than at SG with Rudy Gay, Loul Deng, or even a trade for Jeff Green.

    Valid point on the lack of real SG options...MKG can guard either position and if he attacks/improves his shooting it could work.

    Hayward really really struggled on three pointers this year. That has to be concerning for us if we're going to consider overpaying him. Here are some names:

    Hayward
    Stephenson
    Lamb
    Nik Stauskas
    PJ Hairston
    Garry Harris - would have to move up in draft

    Idk. But yeah I'm done with Henderson.

    If that's all we have to chose from, then we need to focus on upgrading the bench because I don't see a difference maker on that list worth what it would cost to acquire them (Hayward, Stephenson), or a noticeable improvement over Junior, at least next season.  Like some of us knew when we drafted him, and others have learned the last couple years, Gerald is a solid bench player and not a starter on a high-caliber playoff team.  This isn't news, and I'm sure it's something Cho is aware of and has been since he came here but, again, if that list is the best options available, then I don't recommend a drastic move.

     

    I don't mind another season of Junior starting as long as we shore up the bench, specifically the backcourt.  Neal and Ridnour aren't going to cut it.

     

    To address the thread, unless we can move some combination of our assets to significantly improve at the 2, then I'm okay with Gerald starting one more season.

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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 11:41 AM

    Neal in my opinion is a pretty good backup SG. played really well the entire season and has only had a down turn here in the playoffs. 

    Hayward is crafty attacking the basket off the dribble similar to Manu. 

     

    Wasnt Barry just a spot up shooter? 

     

    Hayward is Utah's main playmaker, distributer, shooter, and scorer. No one is gonna have great %'s in that situation. 

     

    On a team where he is the 2nd - 3rd option his percentages will improve a lot. 

     

    You can pencil Hayward in for 18ppg, 5assists, 5reb a game. 

     

    No, Brent Barry could play point and could dunk with authority. Jon Barry was the spot up shooter. 

     

     

    He sounds a like a cross between Brent Barry and Ginobli. If he's as crafty as Ginobli, I'd love to sign him, but I don't know about big money, simply because I literally don't know much about Hayward.

    Maybe the answer is not getting a SG, simply because the options aren't great.

    I don't want Stephenson due to his attitude/cancer reputation in Indy and while I think Hayward would be the perfect 2nd or 3rd option, I don't think Utah will let him leave unless someone offers him a dumb contract and I don't want to overpay him. There is always Swaggy P and he had a pretty good season but, he's an LA guy and I bet would rather stay out there( unless we overpay)

    Maybe the answer is another SF (that can stretch the D) and moving MKG to SG.
    The talent at SF is better than at SG with Rudy Gay, Loul Deng, or even a trade for Jeff Green.

     

     

    This is pretty close to how I feel about the shooting guard position, although I am a little more open-minded about the possibility of adding Stephenson as a risk/reward gamble. Henderson's become the popular scapegoat around here because the board (understandably) loves Kemba + Al, McRoberts has been a pleasant surprise as a utility man and never had high expectations to begin with, and Kidd-Gilchrist is still relatively shiny and new. However, the available upgrades over Henderson aren't really all that attractive.

     

    Hayward's going to be matched by Utah, so all the hand-wringing over how much is too much to pay him is moot. Stephenson could (and at this point probably will) leave, but he's got all the locker-room question marks we're familiar with. Eric Gordon could be had, but he makes a ton of money for a guy with bad knees and at this point may not be all that much of an upgrade. Golden State isn't trading Klay Thompson or Steph Curry, so don't even bring them up. Maybe you could find a third team to put together a reasonable offer for Arron Afflalo, and he'd probably fit well, but I expect Orlando's going to want a king's ransom after they (reportedly) turned down Eric Bledsoe and Afflalo put up a career year. Maybe you could take a swing on Dion Waiters, but he comes with a lot of the same question marks that Stephenson does and I doubt Cleveland gives him away cheap. 

     

    It's really tough, because Henderson's a decent all-around player at a position that isn't exactly crawling with top talent right now. I feel like Charlotte would wind up paying quite a bit for what's likely to be just an incremental upgrade. 

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    cltblkhscoach
    Apr 27 2014 11:51 AM

    MKG moving to the 2 is an option, but then we would have to find a 3 that's a real good shooter with good size. Luol Deng fits that description, but I'd be concerned with injuries. I don't think Hayward leaves Utah, and Stephenson doesn't fit Cho's philosophy at all.

     

    Lamb is a nice young player but OKC isn't giving him up for cheap, and I think we aren't going to move assets for commodities that aren't proven for next season.

    It's really tough, because Henderson's a decent all-around player at a position that isn't exactly crawling with top talent right now. I feel like Charlotte would wind up paying quite a bit for what's likely to be just an incremental upgrade. 

    I'm definitely not interested in overpaying for mediocre talent isn't a clear upgrade, rather in fit or in skill. I'd rather hang on to what we have and make a move next season, perhaps when Taylor is better and we have a few of the same 2-3 type shooters.

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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 11:53 AM

    Deng is not really a good 3pt shooter is he?

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    cltblkhscoach
    Apr 27 2014 12:03 PM

    He's 33% for his career, I guess that's average? It's been on the decline lately though so he may not be the perfect answer either....

    Gary Harris could be the solution. If we luck out and get the Detroit pick this season. Free Agent swingman are around this off season, and we definitely need an addition. I value Hendo but we need more additional shooting. Hendo should be our 6th men next season.
    Hayward and Lance will stay put IMO. Ariza and Turner deserve a look.
    Meeks, Bayless, and CJ Miles would be less expensive options.
    Hairston at #24 is not worth the gamble IMO. I'd rather roll the dice on Warren, Stauskas, or Nick Johnson with the pdx pick.

    MKG moving to the 2 is an option, but then we would have to find a 3 that's a real good shooter with good size. Luol Deng fits that description, but I'd be concerned with injuries. I don't think Hayward leaves Utah, and Stephenson doesn't fit Cho's philosophy at all.

     

    Lamb is a nice young player but OKC isn't giving him up for cheap, and I think we aren't going to move assets for commodities that aren't proven for next season.

     

    Kidd-Gilchrist can't play shooting guard. He can defend shooting guards, but whoever you brought in as the other small forward would have to be able to be your two-guard on offense. I know it'll set off a firestorm, but it's easier to fix the offense moving MKG to the bench than it is by keeping in the starting lineup. 

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    MedellinHeel
    Apr 27 2014 12:31 PM

    Gary Harris could be the solution. If we luck out and get the Detroit pick this season. Free Agent swingman are around this off season, and we definitely need an addition. I value Hendo but we need more additional shooting. Hendo should be our 6th men next season.
    Hayward and Lance will stay put IMO. Ariza and Turner deserve a look.
    Meeks, Bayless, and CJ Miles would be less expensive options.
    Hairston at #24 is not worth the gamble IMO. I'd rather roll the dice on Warren, Stauskas, or Nick Johnson with the pdx pick.

     

    Harris is def not the answer and would be a wasted pick. He is a guy that does a lot of stuff well, but none great. I see him being a nice backup SG in the league. 

     

    As for Hayward, it depends on how much Utah and other teams think he is worth. If one team is willing to pay a ton and Utah doesn't think he is worth it than he will leave. 

     

    Ariza and Turner are not the answer. Id rather save the money or over pay someone better. Same goes for Meeks, Bayless, and CJ.

     

    Hairston at 24 is def worth the gamble. Dude has a ton of potential. Now if we were drafting in the lottery you might have a point. 

     

    I like Warren but we already have MKG. 

     

    As of right now, I will be disappointed if we do not come away from this draft with atleast one of Hairston, Stauskus, or LaVine. 

    Kidd-Gilchrist can't play shooting guard. He can defend shooting guards, but whoever you brought in as the other small forward would have to be able to be your two-guard on offense. I know it'll set off a firestorm, but it's easier to fix the offense moving MKG to the bench than it is by keeping in the starting lineup. 

     

    tony allen sure is doing ok in that same role with the griz. not a vote of affirmation but certainly worth looking at.

     

    i am hoping okc loses and panic trades westbrook to the cats for three picks and cap space.

    tony allen sure is doing ok in that same role with the griz. not a vote of affirmation but certainly worth looking at.

     

    i am hoping okc loses and panic trades westbrook to the cats for three picks and cap space.

     

    Tony Allen also spent most of the season coming off the bench behind a much better shooter in Courtney Lee because Memphis' inability to shoot killed their season last year. At no point have I said Kidd-Gilchrist has to go, but something needs to happen to fix the offense. 

    Kidd-Gilchrist can't play shooting guard. He can defend shooting guards, but whoever you brought in as the other small forward would have to be able to be your two-guard on offense. I know it'll set off a firestorm, but it's easier to fix the offense moving MKG to the bench than it is by keeping in the starting lineup. 

    Believe it or not, I'm not averse to this.  Like I said earlier, if our options to upgrade this off-season are to overpay Stephenson or Hayward, I'd just as soon have Junior start one more year, and since roster improvement is needed to continue our upward trend, if options are better in free agency at the 3, then I'm all for that and moving MKG to the bench for at least this upcoming season.  I think he could excel as a 6th man and get as many minutes off the bench as he does starting.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I'd rather not, but whatever helps the team improve, that's what I want.  

    I'm surprises nobody mentioned the name of James Young. He looks like a great fit and proved in the March Madness that he could step up in big moments.





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