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what are the chances that Lance Stephenson takes a James Harden-like jump this season?


What are the chances that Lance make the same kind of jump in productivity that Harden did when he was traded from the Thunder to the Rockets?

What do you think?


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    InProblematique
    Aug 10 2014 01:47 PM

    I don't think he'll put up Harden's numbers, and if he does, he's probably not playing the way the team needs him to. Al is still our go-to guy, Lance is a secondary ball-handler and scorer. When Harden got to Houston, he was immediately given basically every responsibility as the No. 1 option.

     

    I think he makes a scoring jump...I think I predicted 17.5 PPG in the Lance numbers thread. Dunno about shooting percentage...a SG who can score that much at almost 50% from the field is on a transcendent level. But you never know.

     

    So I don't think he becomes the numbers man that Harden is, but what Lance lacks in Harden-esque scoring, he makes up for in shot creation and especially defense. Harden's defense is literally the worst in the NBA, and I don't think it's even close. I've never seen a player play defense as poorly as Harden. I've never seen someone look so lackadaisical and blatantly lazy on defense. I actually get mad when people say Harden is the best SG in the league right now, because all they're doing is looking at numbers. Yeah, he's great on offense, but when it comes down to it, anything extra he gives on offense, he gives back on defense, making him a net-average SG. Lance won't score as much as Harden, but he won't let his man score either, so I think it equals out in a way.

     

    I guess I'm rambling, but basically what I'm saying is that I don't think Lance puts up the offensive numbers that Harden does, but he ends up being as good of a SG as Harden when you factor in defense and intangibles (as long as Lance gets along with everyone).

     

    There's also this stuff going around about Harden and Howard being total pricks in Houston. I mean, Harden literally said the team is him, Dwight, and the rest of guys are role players. I get why Lance is seen as a bad teammate by people (even me, I'm not going to be sold on Lance as a "good" teammate until I start hearing good things), but saying something so obviously conceited and selfish is WAY worse than blowing in a dude's ear. Harden has a stick up his ass, and his stardom has transformed him into a massive prick. I'm hoping Lance doesn't make that kind of leap.

    I don't think.... I know he won't make that huge of a jump. Harden went from being a sixth-man and the third best option on offence to a go to player who was allowed to do anything he pleased to to when he had the ball, and it turned out he wanted to have the ball a lot (a big difference from when he was paired up with Westbrook). Lance on the other hand was the second option with the pacers, a lot of the time even the first one, cause George just isn't that kind of superstar that could break open a game (that was Lance's department) and instead was invincible for parts of the game/season. This year Lance will probably end up battling Kemba for our team's second highest PPG. Nothing's wrong with that, but it certainly won't be Harden-esque, though I like to be surprised.
    Got to agree with the guys above. He'll be a secondary ball handler and secondary/tertiary scorer, so no to the headline grabbing numbers ... but I liked what InProb said about his net contribution being right up there due to his D and his hustle.
    This is all assuming he blends into the team work-ethic and accepts his role ... and I have my fingers crossed that he will.

    Lance doesn't have quite the raw scoring ability of a guy like James Harden.  And that's okay because he brings so much else to the table.  He can be a hugely impactful player by only topping out around 18 ppg

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    Mich_Mercer
    Aug 10 2014 04:38 PM
    I don't think so. I think they are just different players. Stephenson isn't the scorer that Harvin is, but I'd say he does everything else better. I do see his scoring rising to about 16 ppg though, making him an Allstar.
    Don't want him to and don't think he will. If he does - we will not be a better team. I want out leading scorers to be: Al, Lance, Kemba, Williams, Zeller in that order.
    I think he will make a jump like Harden did. That doesn't mean I think he'll average 30 ppg but I do think he'll see a boost in stats and likely become a bigger much star here next year.

    I think he will make a jump like Harden did. That doesn't mean I think he'll average 30 ppg but I do think he'll see a boost in stats and likely become a bigger much star here next year.


    This is exactly how I see it. I don't necessarily believe he becomes a 20+ppg scorer, but I think that this opportunity here in Charlotte gives him a chance to take his game to an even higher level in terms of overall impact on the game.

    Zero. Lance isn't good enough offensively to warrant a huge jump. People rate him as a huge scorer, I don't see it to be honest though.

    I can see him as an excellent 2nd option, scoring 16-18 ppg, but nothing higher than that. 

    Harden didn't really make a huge leap, he just started taking more shots.  His last year in OKC he was taking about 10 shots per game and 6 free throw attempts which is about 13 possessions per game.  His first year in Houston he averaged 17 shots and 10 free throw attempts which is about 22 possessions per game.

     

    Last year Lance took 11 shots and 2.5 free throw attempts, so a little over 12 possessions per game.  The thing that makes Harden such an elite scorer is he gets to the free throw line so much.  Lance doesn't considering how many shots he takes. 

     

    Even it Lance plays about like he did last year it should be a big help though.  He would have been essentially tied with Hendo as our third leading scorer and adding 14 points per game is a big help on a team starved for offense.  He would have also been our most efficient scorer out of the guys that give us any real volume. 

     

    If  he can generate enough offense for us to play big Al 30 minutes a game instead of 40 minutes a game, Biyombo will be able to get more minutes and our defense will improve a lot too.  The other teams best wing defender will now have to guard Lance instead of Hendo so hopefully Hendo's efficiency will go up.  Lance's ability to handle the ball and make the right pass should also take a lot of pressure off Kemba and Henderson. 

    No doubt in my mind he will at least be a
    20 ppt player

    This is exactly how I see it. I don't necessarily believe he becomes a 20+ppg scorer, but I think that this opportunity here in Charlotte gives him a chance to take his game to an even higher level in terms of overall impact on the game.


    Exactly. People are taking this in the wrong way. I don't think anyone expects him to ever score 25+ ppg. However, a huge jump for Lance would mean closer to 19-20 ppg than he was last year....and like you said, based on OVERALL impact.