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Hornets interested in Greg Monroe


I don't know how I feel about this but I saw it and thought I would share it with everyone.
Sporting News:

It’s possible that Charlotte will create enough cap space in the offseason to make a max offer to Monroe and pair him with Al Jefferson up front. That might be a defensive nightmare for coach Steve Clifford, but offensively, it would give Charlotte the East’s most potent power forward-center combo.




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    Unless the team is ready to move on from MKG, I doubt it. Trying to play Monroe on this roster just replicates the problems Detroit had with their spacing because Kidd-Gilchrist can't shoot. The team needs  a perimeter threat at the 4 for as long as MKG's in the starting lineup. 

    Is Monroe as horrific defensively as people claim?

    Is Monroe as horrific defensively as people claim?

     

    Not if he's playing center, but he's not quick enough to guard forwards on the perimeter, which is kind of a problem for Charlotte. I think Detroit's best defensive lineups had Monroe at center and Josh Smith at power forward. He's a perfect fit for New Orleans, I wish they could just send him there now and get this all over with. 

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    Felton for Prez
    May 14 2014 11:43 AM

    max money?  no way i could sign off on that.  kinda the same issue i have with gordon hayward.  if your current team doesn't think you are a max guy, you probably aren't.

    Monroe wasn't the problem in Detroit, it was playing Josh Smith at the 3.

     

    I think this would be a good signing and I've mentioned it before. Monroe is a great rebounder and would allow us to run our offense for the entire 60 minutes of the game by staggering the bench time with Al. 

     

    The Memphis Grizzlies have been successful with a front court of Z-Bo and Gasol and I think a pairing of Monroe & Big Al would dominate the East. I agree that "spacing" will continue to be an issue when MKG is on the floor but, that issue isn't going away anytime soon and we need to address our need for shooters/spacing with or without Greg Monroe.

     

    I don't want to offer him a max contract but, I'd be happy with a 4 year 40-48 Million dollar contract and with SVG in Detroit and the money they have already invested in Josh Smith- I don't think the Pistons would match.

     

    No matter what side of the fence you are own for this particular player, It's fun talking about adding real talent to this team and having the cap space to do it. :biggrin:

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    BrotherDave
    May 14 2014 12:07 PM

    It would be a terrible fit for Charlotte.  It would be like having a lesser version of Al next to him at PF.  He has little range on his jumpshot, only decent at the pinch post.  He is a good passer for his size but that's about it (and not as good as McBob so it's moot).

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    BrotherDave
    May 14 2014 12:09 PM

    Monroe wasn't the problem in Detroit, it was playing Josh Smith at the 3.

     

    I think this would be a good signing and I've mentioned it before. Monroe is a great rebounder and would allow us to run our offense for the entire 60 minutes of the game by staggering the bench time with Al. 

     

    The Memphis Grizzlies have been successful with a front court of Z-Bo and Gasol and I think a pairing of Monroe & Big Al would dominate the East. I agree that "spacing" will continue to be an issue when MKG is on the floor but, that issue isn't going away anytime soon and we need to address our need for shooters/spacing with or without Greg Monroe.

     

    Gasol is a DPOY caliber player, neither Moose or Al can defend their own shadow.  

    disclaimer: i am not in favor of Greg Monroe or the main idea of this post. neither are a good match next to Al but...

     

    given the choice of maxing Greg Monroe, i would rather just trade for josh smith and play him at the pf position. i would demand the draft pick be traded this year (done on draft night) and the right to swap picks next year. smith is under contract through the 16/17 season at 14 mil per year.

     

    why: he is more athletic, better defensively next to Al and with the right coach could be a pretty decent stretch four. of course, i would want to amend his contract so that he loses 100k for every 3pt shot he attempts.

    Gasol is a DPOY caliber player, neither Moose or Al can defend their own shadow.

     

    Well, that's not the case. Both are big boys with quick hands, so they can be your primary post defender without hurting you any in the right scheme. If you're asking them to chase guys on the perimeter or be a shot-blocking help defender you're setting yourself up to fail, though. Gasol is a much better defender than either, that I don't dispute. I'd rather go get Andre Kirilenko for less than half as much than pursue Monroe for Charlotte, though. 

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    BrotherDave
    May 14 2014 12:25 PM

    Well, that's not the case. Both are big boys with quick hands, so they can be your primary post defender without hurting you any in the right scheme. If you're asking them to chase guys on the perimeter or be a shot-blocking help defender you're setting yourself up to fail, though. Gasol is a much better defender than either, that I don't dispute. I'd rather go get Andre Kirilenko for less than half as much than pursue Monroe for Charlotte, though. 

    They are two of the worst screen/roll defenders in the NBA.  We'd be the worst rim protecting team in the league by far.

    Would the offensive gains of adding Monroe outweigh the negatives defensively that it would introduce?

    They are two of the worst screen/roll defenders in the NBA. 

     

    Okay. They're both still fine as primary post defenders though. It's why Detroit's best defensive lineups actually had Monroe on the court with Drummond on the bench and Al was in the middle for a top-10 overall defense this past year. "Jefferson and Monroe are both catastrophically bad on defense" and "Jefferson and Monroe are a bad defensive pairing" are two entirely different arguments. 

     

     

    Would the offensive gains of adding Monroe outweigh the negatives defensively that it would introduce?

     

     

    I just don't see how it makes sense. Monroe's a bad defensive pairing with Jefferson and you can't play an MKG-Monroe-Jefferson frontcourt together. 

    http://grantland.com...stan-van-gundy/

     

    good read. clifford and bobcats mentioned.

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    InProblematique
    May 14 2014 01:15 PM

    They are two of the worst screen/roll defenders in the NBA.  We'd be the worst rim protecting team in the league by far.

    Said everyone in the NBA last year.

     

    I'm all for it.

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    InProblematique
    May 14 2014 01:25 PM

    Signing Monroe to some kind of long-term deal gives the Hornets longevity. As much as BrotherDave salivates at the prospect of having Al off the team, I think most of us agree that once he's gone, there will be a major, MAJOR gap to fill at center. And like it or not, Al is on a player option after next season, and if he comes close to replicating the numbers he did this season, there's an extremely high chance he goes out and tests FA for a larger, longer contract. Even if he takes the option, that means only two more years with Al.

     

    Once Al is gone, or if he stays and begins his decline, it will be extremely easy to shift Monroe to center for Charlotte. Monroe's style of face-up, athletic post play is a stark contrast to Al's back-to-the rim style, and having an athletic big man paired with more of a skilled, deliberate player like Al is a good fit.

     

    Also, Al and Monroe might not be three-point shooters, but they both have the ability to stretch the floor enough to cause defenses trouble. People sleep on Al's ability to hit a 15-footer with pretty solid regularity. 

     

    It makes sense both in a diverse offensive scheme, and from a long-term standpoint. Monroe is a fantastic player, and 14/9 is hardly the limit of what he's capable of. Being in a starting line-up with two other players (and a terrible/selfish PG in Jennings) that basically played exactly like he does didn't help him a whole lot. He'd do really well here.

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    @JPlowright_NBA
    May 14 2014 01:45 PM

    Well the article with the link just says "it could work" rather than it being reported by any source, they are just adding 1+1 together. I just don't think Monroe meets any of our needs and it is not worth locking a large amount of our CAP into Monroe for 4-5 years when he doesn't even compliment our roster or style. I understand the thinking of "Life After Big Al" but I am afraid we will have to cross that bridge when we come to it, preparing 3 seasons in advance seems a tad silly

    I'd rather have McBob than Monroe, and that's not even taking into account dollars.

     

    The Falk/Jordan connection is very weak and far-fetched I think to indicate any interest in Monroe, so I'm not taking this seriously at all.

     

    Give us wings, or give us death (AKA Monroe at max).

    I know it doesn't mean much and people are most likely just throwing our name out there because we have cap room but, we have been linked to 2 players this offseason. Zach Randolph & Greg Monroe.

     

    Both are PF's that can score and neither are known for their defense.

     

    For all those worried about the defensive pairing with Al please consider the following:

    1. Steve Clifford is our coach. We were all told last year how terrible Al would be and he would be a net negative despite his scoring and we all know how that turned out. I have enough confidence in Steve Clifford that if he thinks he can make it work, I won't doubt him.

    2. Josh McRoberts isn't a great defensive player.

    3. The ability to have a go to scorer in the low block for an entire 60 minute game would be great.

    4. We wouldn't have to rely on Bismack when it's clear that he isn't ready to be a big time contributor on playoff team that goes deep in the playoffs.

    5. We have an eventual replacement for Big Al (hopefully way down the road)

    6. By adding Monroe (or Z-Bo) we would become the best rebounding team in the East ( maybe the NBA). Part of playing defense is not letting opponents get 2nd chance points. 

     

    I'm not saying that he's should be our #1 target but, I definately think it would be a great addition to our team.

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    @JPlowright_NBA
    May 14 2014 03:19 PM

    I know it doesn't mean much and people are most likely just throwing our name out there because we have cap room but, we have been linked to 2 players this offseason. Zach Randolph & Greg Monroe.

     

    Both are PF's that can score and neither are known for their defense.

     

    For all those worried about the defensive pairing with Al please consider the following:

    1. Steve Clifford is our coach. We were all told last year how terrible Al would be and he would be a net negative despite his scoring and we all know how that turned out. I have enough confidence in Steve Clifford that if he thinks he can make it work, I won't doubt him.

    2. Josh McRoberts isn't a great defensive player.

    3. The ability to have a go to scorer in the low block for an entire 60 minute game would be great.

    4. We wouldn't have to rely on Bismack when it's clear that he isn't ready to be a big time contributor on playoff team that goes deep in the playoffs.

    5. We have an eventual replacement for Big Al (hopefully way down the road)

    6. By adding Monroe (or Z-Bo) we would become the best rebounding team in the East ( maybe the NBA). Part of playing defense is not letting opponents get 2nd chance points. 

     

    I'm not saying that he's should be our #1 target but, I definately think it would be a great addition to our team.

     

    For me the defence isn't the biggest issue, it is the spacing and ability to get back in transition (two big points Clifford goes on about)

    As long as Monroe doesn't get near the left block, it's all good.

    Signing Monroe to some kind of long-term deal gives the Hornets longevity. As much as BrotherDave salivates at the prospect of having Al off the team, I think most of us agree that once he's gone, there will be a major, MAJOR gap to fill at center. And like it or not, Al is on a player option after next season, and if he comes close to replicating the numbers he did this season, there's an extremely high chance he goes out and tests FA for a larger, longer contract. Even if he takes the option, that means only two more years with Al.

     

    Once Al is gone, or if he stays and begins his decline, it will be extremely easy to shift Monroe to center for Charlotte. Monroe's style of face-up, athletic post play is a stark contrast to Al's back-to-the rim style, and having an athletic big man paired with more of a skilled, deliberate player like Al is a good fit.

     

    Also, Al and Monroe might not be three-point shooters, but they both have the ability to stretch the floor enough to cause defenses trouble. People sleep on Al's ability to hit a 15-footer with pretty solid regularity. 

     

    It makes sense both in a diverse offensive scheme, and from a long-term standpoint. Monroe is a fantastic player, and 14/9 is hardly the limit of what he's capable of. Being in a starting line-up with two other players (and a terrible/selfish PG in Jennings) that basically played exactly like he does didn't help him a whole lot. He'd do really well here.

     

    interesting point. hadn't thought of it that way, with Al opting out. huge risk though, if Al opts in and/or wants a long term deal next year to stay and you max or near max monroe, it could be long term trouble

    i feel like we need shooters more than anything but i like monroe just dont know if hes a real "need"

    When you hear rumors like these you always have to take them with a huge grain of salt. The Charlotte FO wondering what Greg Monroe is worth to the Pistons could mean a number of things, and none of them could mean him actually ending up as a Hornet. More than likely Charlotte wants to find a way to be a 3rd party in moving Monroe to some other team. I can picture them trying to lure Orlando with Monroe.

     

    Either way I'm hoping a huge trade like that happens this season, my prediction is we see a big 3 way trade that sees Kevin Love as a Laker, Greg Monroe in Minnesota, and Detroit with Pau. I figured drafts picks would get moved around too but I haven't thought that deeply into it. 1 thing is for sure is that Monroe doesn't stay a Piston.

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    BrotherDave
    May 14 2014 09:21 PM

    Okay. They're both still fine as primary post defenders though. It's why Detroit's best defensive lineups actually had Monroe on the court with Drummond on the bench and Al was in the middle for a top-10 overall defense this past year. "Jefferson and Monroe are both catastrophically bad on defense" and "Jefferson and Monroe are a bad defensive pairing" are two entirely different arguments. 

     

    Detroit was one of the worst defenses in the league so it doesn't really matter that Moose was part of their best defensive lineup.  If you can't successfully defend the screen/roll then you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be successful enough to contend in the playoffs.  Both Al and Moose are awful screen/roll defenders, they cannot be paired together.  It is a pick & roll league, always has been.

     

    I know it doesn't mean much and people are most likely just throwing our name out there because we have cap room but, we have been linked to 2 players this offseason. Zach Randolph & Greg Monroe.

     

    Both are PF's that can score and neither are known for their defense.

     

    For all those worried about the defensive pairing with Al please consider the following:

    1. Steve Clifford is our coach. We were all told last year how terrible Al would be and he would be a net negative despite his scoring and we all know how that turned out. I have enough confidence in Steve Clifford that if he thinks he can make it work, I won't doubt him.

    2. Josh McRoberts isn't a great defensive player.

    3. The ability to have a go to scorer in the low block for an entire 60 minute game would be great.

    4. We wouldn't have to rely on Bismack when it's clear that he isn't ready to be a big time contributor on playoff team that goes deep in the playoffs.

    5. We have an eventual replacement for Big Al (hopefully way down the road)

    6. By adding Monroe (or Z-Bo) we would become the best rebounding team in the East ( maybe the NBA). Part of playing defense is not letting opponents get 2nd chance points. 

     

    I'm not saying that he's should be our #1 target but, I definately think it would be a great addition to our team.

    1.  Al played out of his mind and was barely a net positive player.  

    2.  Josh is a better team defender than Moose because he has high IQ, talks, and lateral quickness better than a snail.  He also provides things Moose doesn't that the team sorely needs (2nd ball handler, passing, 3's).

    3.  There are only 48 minutes in a game barring overtime.

    4.  How is that clear?  Game 4 was arguably our best game in the playoffs.  Biz only rode the pine b/c the Heat are a bad matchup for him (inexperience guarding perimeter bigs).

    5.  If we replace Al, I'd surely hope it would be with someone better, not his homeless version.

    6.  They wouldn't need 2nd chance points, they'd screen/roll us to death to high %s.

    Agree to disagree. Except on the 48 minute thing. Brain fart trying to type out a quick email before a meeting.