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Game Thread: Memphis Grizzlies at Charlotte Hornets 11/1


After that amazing season opener against the Bucks on Wednesday night, What will the Charlotte Hornets do for an encore?

One thing is certain though, with Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph and Mike Conley, if they dig a 24 point hole against the Grizzlies, they will not be climbing their way out of it.

Questions of the night:
  • Are you going to the game?
  • What are your predictions for the game?
  • What can we do to get Mark Price nominated for Coach of the year, the Nobel Prize and Pope for the work that he has done on MKG's shot?



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    We are playing what I believe to be a team that is very similar to us. 

     

    "A defensive minded, over-performing small market team with a hyped fan base and a never quit mentality.  The roster includes a defensive specialist who can guard multiple positions, an underrated point guard and their best player is an old school back to the basket player.   Lots of ball movement on the offensive side with a new stretch 4 in the mix."  

     

    I really like Memphis.  The reason I like them is that they remind me of my team.   The story above applies to both teams.  

     

    ...and for the questions:

     

    • Going to try to scalp 2 tickets
    • Charlotte by 4, Al Jefferson and Z Bo put on a low post clinic - with us trying to rectify Al only getting 6 shots up in first half of the first game
    • Mark Price for Mayor

    Results depend on Cliffords big rotation.  If it goes like it did against the Bucks and their complete lack of bigs, then Memphis will walk away in the second quarter. 

     

    Interesting early season matchup I think.  Ultimately no big lessons to learn here as they are in a different conference but a little indication as to where we are. 

     

    Really interested to see how the turn out is tomorrow night.  Buzz is back and a huge opening night win, will it carry over.   Being Saturday against a good team I will say it does. 

    Looking forward to the game for sure.  Should be a good early test. 

     

    In some Kemba related news: 

     

     

    His deal could be worth up to 45 million with incentives.  I know he's a decent player, but I think his contract makes Kemba's deal look even better. 

    Hate that we'll miss this one but my son and I have prior plans. Hope the Cats, err, I mean 'ets take down those honey guzzling Memphi.
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    QC Thundercats
    Oct 31 2014 11:44 AM

    Looking forward to the game for sure. Should be a good early test.

    In some Kemba related news:



    His deal could be worth up to 45 million with incentives. I know he's a decent player, but I think his contract makes Kemba's deal look even better.


    So, I guess Rod Higgins did land on his feet somewhere.
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    InProblematique
    Oct 31 2014 12:07 PM

    Won't be there...won't even be able to watch this one live =(

     

    The band I teach has state competition tomorrow. We won't be getting back into town until probably around 2 AM. 

     

    This is going to be a good one, though. One that I definitely think we can win. Fortunately, I think Marvin is a better defender than McBob by a pretty solid margin, and he's had to play against Z-Bo in the West a ton, so I think that's going to be critical. I really want to see Al get going and start putting up the efficient 20/10 that we think of when we see him play, but that's going to be tough against Marc Gasol.

     

    Finding a way to neutralize Randolph and Gasol offensively will be the biggest issue. They totally ripped Minnesota apart. I think they combined for almost 60 points the other night, if I recall correctly. Without much offense anywhere else on that team though (kind of a lot of glue guys who are very good defenders), if we can find a way to at least contain them, we should be okay. I know Mike Conley isn't a big PG, but I wouldn't be surprised if Charlotte put Lance on him a bit. He's really their only other consistent offensive threat, and we need someone who can keep him from scoring and getting the ball to the big guys. MKG keeping the wings in check will be extremely important so they can't feed the ball down low.

     

    Basically, just try to suffocate Z-Bo and Marc. They have no depth at all on the bench, and the rest of their starters are only marginally good offensively. We'll need to move the ball around a lot, hope that the ball starts going in a little more, and that Marvin and MKG can have solid nights again. If Lance gets his swagger back and starts scoring efficiently, and if Al can even give us 15 or so, I think we should be fine. I'm not trying to underestimate their squad, but if it wasn't for Gasol and Randolph both having monster nights, they would have been killed by the T-Wolves. 

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    BrotherDave
    Oct 31 2014 12:35 PM

    Z-Bo is going to have a field day, there is no way Marv can guard him in the post.  I'm sure Clifford will end up putting Max-XL to counter Z-Bo's girth since Zeller is Zeller.  

     

    I like the sound of Pope Mark Price, it has a ring to it. 

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    InProblematique
    Oct 31 2014 02:30 PM

    Z-Bo is going to have a field day, there is no way Marv can guard him in the post.  I'm sure Clifford will end up putting Max-XL to counter Z-Bo's girth since Zeller is Zeller.  

     

    I like the sound of Pope Mark Price, it has a ring to it. 

    Actually, I guess you're right. Marvin is typically a pretty good defender, but I just went back and looked at Randolph's splits against Utah last year, and he scored over 22 in all three games they played. You're probably right, Max is the best to put on him. Maxiell's height won't really be a big deal, since Z-Bo is only 6'8", and Maxiell is built like a linebacker. 

    Yes will be there and so looking forward to it, my wife is even extremely excited, the buzz is back indeed!

    Is Zach Randolph 38 years of age now?

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    InProblematique
    Oct 31 2014 10:37 PM

    Is Zach Randolph 38 years of age now?

    33, but who cares? We're banking on Al having the same type of longevity. They're essentially the same player separated by a couple of inches, with a bit more skill slanted Al's way. They both feast in the post, make players misjudge when they're going to shoot, play under the rim, and aren't exactly athletic specimens. If Al is still 33 here and capable of putting up at least 22 points and 13 rebounds in each of his first two games, we're all going to be very happy, and we'll all say it's because of "his style of play."

     

    If Z-Bo can just stay healthy, he's going to keep putting up numbers like this. Raw athleticism helps make a career quicker and more exclamatory, but slow, deliberate play extends careers and makes their fans extremely happy, regardless of age and whether or not they could have dunked on an easy floater instead of just putting the ball up knowing it will go in.

    The enemy's game thread -->  Grizzlies Online

    Second game of a back to back for Memphis, and they have to travel.  Hopefully we attack Z-Bo and Gasol relentlessly and get one or both in foul trouble early.  

     

    Hornets 96

    Grizzlies-90

    I need to see positive progression.  We look to have a long way to go before we're a cohesive unit, so win or lose I just want to see us getting there.

    33, but who cares? We're banking on Al having the same type of longevity. They're essentially the same player separated by a couple of inches, with a bit more skill slanted Al's way. They both feast in the post, make players misjudge when they're going to shoot, play under the rim, and aren't exactly athletic specimens. If Al is still 33 here and capable of putting up at least 22 points and 13 rebounds in each of his first two games, we're all going to be very happy, and we'll all say it's because of "his style of play."

     

    If Z-Bo can just stay healthy, he's going to keep putting up numbers like this. Raw athleticism helps make a career quicker and more exclamatory, but slow, deliberate play extends careers and makes their fans extremely happy, regardless of age and whether or not they could have dunked on an easy floater instead of just putting the ball up knowing it will go in.

     

    That's one of the things I really enjoy watching from players.

    As they become older, slower, less athletic, you watch them turn more heavily towards the fundamentals, towards more skill and experienced based work.

    Somewhat lousy example, but Amare Stoudamire for instance. Before frankly he was the pick and roll beast finisher with Nash's perfect passes. Sure he could post up, he could hit the mid range jumper, but more often than not he relied on pure athleticism to dunk on opponents night in, night out. Nowadays, you see him utilise himself more as a post player, using footwork and skill rather than athleticism, or taking more jumpers. Because the body isn't there anymore from two knee surgeries and age. All that explosive wear and tear is gone. 

     

    In contrast, you look at someone like Timmy Duncan. One of the greatest of all time. He's achieved amazing longevity with his career, and has continued to put up ridiculous numbers for a 38 yr old even with limited minutes. In some ways, I feel it's because of his unassuming way of playing. He's never been one to posterise someone into oblivion, or dunk so hard that the rim falls off. Rather he's had some of the best fundamentals the game has ever seen. Part of the reason why I feel he hasn't declined as badly as many of the other players is that he has less wear and tear on his body in terms of jumping. He never was one to fully explode and dunk on someone after a hop step from the post. Rather he's been the kind of guy to take the less physical and athletic approach. The stepback jumper, the hook shot, the bank off the glass. That takes far less effort, and thus a lesser toll on your body.

     

    I may be wrong however, but that's just my opinion. 

    1.  Yes, I will be at the Hive getting my Hugo bobblehead.

    2.  A thunderous dunk from MKG

    3.  I don't know, but it needs to be done.  I'm not Catholic but there should be some room for a Saint Price.

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    InProblematique
    Nov 01 2014 02:03 PM

    If MKG is able to put up anything close to what he did last game, it'll be seriously validation for him. Tony Allen isn't exactly the easiest player to get by on offense. So I'm hoping for another big night from him to further confirm his growth as an offensive weapon.

     

    (that being said, if he works on the right side against Z-Bo, he might end up having a 40 point night. lol)

    Won't be there...won't even be able to watch this one live =(

     

    The band I teach has state competition tomorrow. We won't be getting back into town until probably around 2 AM. 

     

    This is going to be a good one, though. One that I definitely think we can win. Fortunately, I think Marvin is a better defender than McBob by a pretty solid margin, and he's had to play against Z-Bo in the West a ton, so I think that's going to be critical. I really want to see Al get going and start putting up the efficient 20/10 that we think of when we see him play, but that's going to be tough against Marc Gasol.

     

    Finding a way to neutralize Randolph and Gasol offensively will be the biggest issue. They totally ripped Minnesota apart. I think they combined for almost 60 points the other night, if I recall correctly. Without much offense anywhere else on that team though (kind of a lot of glue guys who are very good defenders), if we can find a way to at least contain them, we should be okay. I know Mike Conley isn't a big PG, but I wouldn't be surprised if Charlotte put Lance on him a bit. He's really their only other consistent offensive threat, and we need someone who can keep him from scoring and getting the ball to the big guys. MKG keeping the wings in check will be extremely important so they can't feed the ball down low.

     

    Basically, just try to suffocate Z-Bo and Marc. They have no depth at all on the bench, and the rest of their starters are only marginally good offensively. We'll need to move the ball around a lot, hope that the ball starts going in a little more, and that Marvin and MKG can have solid nights again. If Lance gets his swagger back and starts scoring efficiently, and if Al can even give us 15 or so, I think we should be fine. I'm not trying to underestimate their squad, but if it wasn't for Gasol and Randolph both having monster nights, they would have been killed by the T-Wolves. 

     

    disagree with the marvin/mcR line. the defense thus far this year is way worse. mcR was a big part of that last year. rotations, etc. he isn't overly athletic but mcR knows basketball very well and it showed. with that said, i have already posted that it will take awhile for the new guys to find their mojo. defense is much more about knowing your system and other players than it is about athleticism. lance is a problem on defense, he is so undisciplined and headless chicken. needs alot of coaching there and needs to be receptive of it.

     

    one more thing. not dwelling on the negative, but one thing was very alarming last game. lance and his flopping. i LOATHE it. i loved last year's team because there was none of it. the head jerking back on the dudley elbow, the falling down in the open court, the hands in the air. hate all of it. i hope he tones it down. if i were clifford, i would really be putting a stop to it.

     

    edit: i would not be surprised at all if clifford goes with a biz/Al defensive tandem on gasol and randolph with biz on gasol and al on zbo. these two teams are modeled very similarly but memphis is just a better version. also, charlotte does have the advantage on getting memphis on the back of half of a back to back on the road.

     

    i expect a tight game.

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    InProblematique
    Nov 01 2014 03:05 PM

    disagree with the marvin/mcR line. the defense thus far this year is way worse. mcR was a big part of that last year. rotations, etc. he isn't overly athletic but mcR knows basketball very well and it showed. with that said, i have already posted that it will take awhile for the new guys to find their mojo. defense is much more about knowing your system and other players than it is about athleticism. lance is a problem on defense, he is so undisciplined and headless chicken. needs alot of coaching there and needs to be receptive of it.

     

    one more thing. not dwelling on the negative, but one thing was very alarming last game. lance and his flopping. i LOATHE it. i loved last year's team because there was none of it. the head jerking back on the dudley elbow, the falling down in the open court, the hands in the air. hate all of it. i hope he tones it down. if i were clifford, i would really be putting a stop to it.

     

    edit: i would not be surprised at all if clifford goes with a biz/Al defensive tandem on gasol and randolph with biz on gasol and al on zbo. these two teams are modeled very similarly but memphis is just a better version. also, charlotte does have the advantage on getting memphis on the back of half of a back to back on the road.

     

    i expect a tight game.

    Dude...I'm not saying this proudly, but...Kemba is a pretty solid flopper. Like, he might get some contact like a light brush on his fingers at the end of a jumper, but he'll fall and expect the call. Very often he gets it. He tried doing that against the Bucks in the opener, complained when he didn't get the call, and got tech'd (which, for the ref, absolutely was the right call. Watching the replay, Kemba should've been called for a flop before he even complained). Kemba's a great PG, but he's been flopping hoping to get calls for three, going on four years now. John Wall bitched about it last season, saying Kemba got more calls than he did, and while it was just Wall being Wall justifying his poor performance, it's not like it's a big secret. Kemba is as dramatic as anyone in this league, plain and simple.

    Dude...I'm not saying this proudly, but...Kemba is a pretty solid flopper. Like, he might get some contact like a light brush on his fingers at the end of a jumper, but he'll fall and expect the call. Very often he gets it. He tried doing that against the Bucks in the opener, complained when he didn't get the call, and got tech'd (which, for the ref, absolutely was the right call. Watching the replay, Kemba should've been called for a flop before he even complained). Kemba's a great PG, but he's been flopping hoping to get calls for three, going on four years now. John Wall bitched about it last season, saying Kemba got more calls than he did, and while it was just Wall being Wall justifying his poor performance, it's not like it's a big secret. Kemba is as dramatic as anyone in this league, plain and simple.

     

    he def got fouled on that play. ref missed the call. there is a diff between getting contact looking to force a call (which kemba does) and acting (which lance does). i hate the latter.

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    @JPlowright_NBA
    Nov 01 2014 04:17 PM

    I helped write a little game preview for Queen City Hoops:

     

    http://queencityhoop...rlotte-hornets/

    Courtney Lee is out (concussion), Tony Allen is sliding to SG and Quincy Pondexter starting at SF.

     

    Hoping to see Biz get some minutes tonight. Interior defense is going to need to be good tonight.

    Unfortunately I can't make it to the game tonight. Was in the ER all day. Disappointed I won't be able to see Phills number get retired but hopefully we can get the W.
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    Founding Hornet
    Nov 01 2014 05:10 PM
    Nice write up plow!
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    InProblematique
    Nov 01 2014 05:31 PM

    he def got fouled on that play. ref missed the call. there is a diff between getting contact looking to force a call (which kemba does) and acting (which lance does). i hate the latter.

    Like I said, he got brushed on the release. A light brushing across his hand. Yeah, it was a foul (one that I am happy to see play on, because it didn't have any effect on his shot and was barely noticeable), but Kemba fell to the floor like he had just been tackled by a linebacker. He does that all the time. There are plenty of instances where he drives down the lane, hits a runner, and takes advantage of high-contact situations by falling down without ever being touched. It happens. Frequently.

     

    If it really comes down to it, if the flop you're referring to with Lance was when he was getting pushed pretty strongly with an arm and then faked an upward hit to his jaw, then I would honestly rather see someone flop in that situation. Lance was definitely getting some elbow there, and even though the flop was silly, he was still getting a whole lot more contact than half of the times Kemba falls to the floor after a shot.