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Miles Plumlee - Spencer Hawes / Roy Hibbert Trade Discussion


I can see it, I guess - Plumlee will do a better job of doing Cody Zeller things than any of the other candidates to play center that are/were on the roster, so you don't have to switch up your play style to accomodate a backup big - you can just kind of rotate the two in the same offense. It's a healthy contract he's on, but I didn't expect Charlotte to have significant cap space this summer anyway and with limited trade assets to work with taking on a long-term deal is likely the cost of doing business. Given the much larger cap exceptions that will be in play under the new CBA there's something to be said for working over the cap instead of killing yourself to free up one big salary slot that may not be taken by anyone.


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    My wife got a e-mail from a friend of hers. That works for the Hornets . She said the cash considerations we got was over five million dollars . Just a interesting tidbit.
    Bogg realgm had a article yesterday Monroe and Henson both is now on the trade market and the Bucks are clearly wanting to lose salary . If that's the case I wonder why we took Plumlee over Monroe . Interesting ? Do we value Plumlee more ?

     

    The short version is that Plumlee does Cody Zeller things while Monroe does Al Jefferson things. I think Monroe gets something of a bad rap and there's a use for him on a good team, but given Cody's importance to the Hornets (and the impact when he's missing) I'm not surprised they preferred Plumlee.

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    GeraldWallaceMVP
    Feb 04 2017 08:01 PM

    The short version is that Plumlee does Cody Zeller things while Monroe does Al Jefferson things. I think Monroe gets something of a bad rap and there's a use for him on a good team, but given Cody's importance to the Hornets (and the impact when he's missing) I'm not surprised they preferred Plumlee.


    Yeah I still believe Monroe can be a elite offensive big but his defense is just far to bad
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    QC Thundercats
    Feb 10 2017 10:43 AM
    So going back to the theory that election related stuff may have contributed (big or small, who knows) to some of the malaise in the team...

    Some of you may or may not know, but Chris Kroeger does the wfnz afternoon show and also works every home hornets game for the radio broadcast, sitting court side next to the teams bench, so he would have more insight into the interactions.

    When talking about the trade, everyone seemed pretty neutral, nothing great, but Chris mentioned that it was trading away a headache. While on first instinct, we may think that he was referring to Roy, but all he said about Roy was his body was broken. With Spence, he said he was a really weird dude at first, but when his cohost followed up, he said hawes had really loose lips and acted like he had his head up his backside.

    We know he's very outspoken about his stances, it seems he was wearing out his welcome on the team.

    So going back to the theory that election related stuff may have contributed (big or small, who knows) to some of the malaise in the team...


    I had not paid attention in the slightest, but that is fascinating.

    So going back to the theory that election related stuff may have contributed (big or small, who knows) to some of the malaise in the team...

    Some of you may or may not know, but Chris Kroeger does the wfnz afternoon show and also works every home hornets game for the radio broadcast, sitting court side next to the teams bench, so he would have more insight into the interactions.

    When talking about the trade, everyone seemed pretty neutral, nothing great, but Chris mentioned that it was trading away a headache. While on first instinct, we may think that he was referring to Roy, but all he said about Roy was his body was broken. With Spence, he said he was a really weird dude at first, but when his cohost followed up, he said hawes had really loose lips and acted like he had his head up his backside.

    We know he's very outspoken about his stances, it seems he was wearing out his welcome on the team.

     

     

    Personally don't think it has anything at all to do with Trump/politics and more getting rid of a guy who was happy to be where he was.   I mean his attitude about getting better, or making this team better.  Content to make his giant salary being giant.   Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but not great around a team that still needs to get much better. 

    Personally don't think it has anything at all to do with Trump/politics and more getting rid of a guy who was happy to be where he was.   I mean his attitude about getting better, or making this team better.  Content to make his giant salary being giant.   Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but not great around a team that still needs to get much better. 

     

    So your guess is good guy but not hungry enough?

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    QC Thundercats
    Feb 10 2017 09:00 PM

    I don't know if anyone caught this article last year, but I think its highly pertinent.  Especially with the political issues surrounding Charlotte and NC in the past year, he very well may have grated on some nerves:
     

    Spencer Hawes wants to talk with LeBron about his Hillary Clinton endorsement

     

    SN: Being the NBA's most vocal conservative — maybe most vocal political-talker — does that ever become an annoyance? Is it something you're proud of?
     
    Hawes: I'll say I'm proud to be conservative. It's hard (laughs). The Republican Party has made that hard on us in this election cycle. But I still believe strongly in that.

    Given Hawes' political bent, that could have upset him. This is, after all, a man who once purchased Barack Obama toilet paper. Still, that wasn't the case.
     
    Sporting News spoke to Hawes in a continuation and furthering of a conversation from about a year ago. Back in November 2015, Hawes was lamenting the Republican primaries — and at least once donning a "Make America Great Again" hat.

    SN: Those discussions. In the locker room, is it coming up more now?
     
    Hawes: Yeah, I think so. I think the publicity — every four years, there's a ton of publicity. The thing that frustrates me on both sides are the generalizations that if you're a conservative, you go so far one way. You've got to be a Trump guy if you're conservative. And at the same time, the same thing. If you're a liberal, you've got to be a socialist. The majority of the country is in the middle.

     
    If you read the article, he actually seems more thoughtful than the headline would imply, but because he's very vocal, and seems the type that loves to play devil's advocate to start a conversation, maybe sometimes other players weren't trying to hear any political talk at certain times.

    So your guess is good guy but not hungry enough?

     

     

    Basically.  I think the team liked him... certainly Frank did. And I have zero visual evidence that he was disliked by his teammates.   And while I'm sure his political leanings could be annoying, I don't think the team was losing because they had a Trump supporter in the locker room.  

     

    I really think we traded Spencer and Hibbert because they liked Plumlee better basketball wise.   If they felt like they needed to rid themselves of Spencer I would think it was because of culture, not politics.  

     

    They organization worships Marvin Williams and his dedication to craft.  I think that's the culture they want in that locker room with a young team, and especially around Frank whom we desperately need to get better and be great.  And I don't think trading Spencer was contentious, sometimes you need that jovial presence in a locker room, but in this case we need a more intense environment to get better.

     

     

    That's all speculation because I don't want to believe that our locker room is so weak they couldn't handle a simple difference in political leanings. 

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    QC Thundercats
    Feb 13 2017 05:28 PM

    Basically.  I think the team liked him... certainly Frank did. And I have zero visual evidence that he was disliked by his teammates.   And while I'm sure his political leanings could be annoying, I don't think the team was losing because they had a Trump supporter in the locker room.  

     

    I really think we traded Spencer and Hibbert because they liked Plumlee better basketball wise.   If they felt like they needed to rid themselves of Spencer I would think it was because of culture, not politics.  

     

    They organization worships Marvin Williams and his dedication to craft.  I think that's the culture they want in that locker room with a young team, and especially around Frank whom we desperately need to get better and be great.  And I don't think trading Spencer was contentious, sometimes you need that jovial presence in a locker room, but in this case we need a more intense environment to get better.

     

     

    That's all speculation because I don't want to believe that our locker room is so weak they couldn't handle a simple difference in political leanings. 

     

    I just want to reiterate, I don't think he was traded because he was a trump supporter, I agree that its more for basketball reasons.  Hibbert and Hawes became unplayable at times except out of necessity, and Plumlee is the physicality and athleticism that Cliff has been begging for.

     

    My whole premise was that the tight locker room and great chemistry from last year seems like its gone, even before the pitiful losing.  Part is less efficient scoring, but having disagreements in the locker room over the course of the fall and winter could definitely impact the camaraderie. 

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    Founding Hornet
    Feb 13 2017 09:28 PM
    Everyone liked Spencer. It's chess, not checkers fellas.

    I don't think we are done......we'll see
    It better be the case because right now they aren't playing checkers

    Everyone liked Spencer. It's chess, not checkers fellas.

    I don't think we are done......we'll see

    Unless we trick a team like the Bucks tricked us we are done dealing this year. Don't see it one bit.

    It better be the case because right now they aren't playing checkers

     

     

     

    Right now the league is playing 4d chess and we are back behind the barn pushing a hula hoop with a stick.  

    Cant figure out how the raptors got serge ibaka for terrence ross and a very late first round pick. Seems like a steal

    Cant figure out how the raptors got serge ibaka for terrence ross and a very late first round pick. Seems like a steal

     

     

    I'm sure one of the analytics guys will tell me i'm an idiot, but he certainly seemed like a guy that could help this team tremendously. 

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    cltblkhscoach
    Feb 14 2017 11:49 AM

    I've always liked Terrence Ross, instant offense

    I'm sure one of the analytics guys will tell me i'm an idiot, but he certainly seemed like a guy that could help this team tremendously.


    Recently used Ibaka as an example of the high cost for marginal improvements. Which makes sense for a contender, not so much with greater needs elsewhere.

    Orlando though.....not great, Bob. They lost the first trade which forced them to take another loss.
    I kinda assumed Orlando would get Norman Powell.
    Surprised Boston allowed this to happen. Surely they could've blocked Toronto while improving themselves in the process. Odds are pretty good they'll end up seeded 2 and 3 and potentially face one another in round 2.

    Or Boston has something larger cooking.
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    QC Thundercats
    Feb 14 2017 12:40 PM

    Surprised Boston allowed this to happen. Surely they could've blocked Toronto while improving themselves in the process. Odds are pretty good they'll end up seeded 2 and 3 and potentially face one another in round 2.

    Or Boston has something larger cooking.


    My guess would be Toronto is in win now mode, especially with Love going out with injury, Toronto conceivably has a good chance to knock the Cavs out, and a late first means nothing.

    While Boston on the other hand still is in the building stages of a great rebuild. Since they're on the verge of solidifying themselves for another decade long period of success, an Ibaka rental may not have been worth losing assets they could use in the offseason to continue building slowly.
    And Boston correctly does not want to juggle the decision of a max contract this summer if he does work out. It will be a disaster by the end of the contract and the fm offering will know that as it is being signed