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Is it Over?




Has the fat lady started singing?

I know the Hornets will likely be in the race for the next 2-4 weeks, but in my opinion it's over. I haven't personally thought we were going to make the playoffs since November, I almost came back around, but then the Hornets dropped those three straight games before the all star break.

I hope the organization don't just blame injuries. Yes, we have been bitten HARD by the injury bug this year, but I think we can all see there are issues beyond that. Look at Denver, blamed last year on injuries, came back this year and they were terrible. What we currently have doesn't work, I expect us to package one of Henderson/Lance/Hairston/Vonleh/Zeller/Marvin W around draft time with our pick, I really doubt we bring in another young guy in, especially after how Clifford has treated this years rookies.

My guess is they go hard after some of the following Brandon Knight, Monta Ellis, David West, Khris Middleton, Wes Matthews, Tobias Harris, Danny Green, Mike Dunleavy,


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    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No! And it ain't over now.

     

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    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No! And it ain't over now.

     

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    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No! And it ain't over now.

     

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    Plowright,

    To me it feels like it's over. Even if we did somehow back or way in at 8, we would be on the receiving end of 4 double digit beatings.
    Its over. Ive gotten to the point I dont even think the hornets will win. and next two games are wizards and hawks. So optimism is low
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    QC Thundercats
    Mar 26 2015 11:15 AM
    As backwards as the hornets are this year, watch the Hawks game actually be a close game, likely an overtime game....hell make it two overtimes. Then some flukey play, like one of our terrible shooters like Lance just heave up some bs, off balance shotput from three, with it caroming off the backboard at the buzzer to win the game.

    Oh wait, we already used that one for the year. Never mind.

    I really hope so.  This shit is just torture.  Thankfully baseball regular season starts up in a week and I can finally be excited for my Astros after 7 years.

     

    I am openly rooting for Boston, Indy, Brooklyn and even Detroit now, so as to improve our lottery chances, to either use or be part of a trade package.

     

    If they shut down Albatross, they would probably make a run and squeak in but no worries there.

    It was over before it began. Big Al is a joke defensively, Kemba is a joke of a PG (refuses to pass, yet shoots under 40%), and we've got a coach that is completely and utterly clueless out there. We had a chance this offseason, but we spent 9 mil on a backup PF who can't do anything but shoot 3s at a low %, and wasted our lottery pick on a stick figure that'll never play meaningful minutes in an NBA game. 

     

    Bye bye season tickets. Hello $8 stub hub! 

    I get you're pissed, as we all are. I relate to most of your post but ...

    ... and wasted our lottery pick on a stick figure that'll never play meaningful minutes in an NBA game.


    ... this is just daft. He's still a teenager right? And the truth is he could be anything. We haven't had an opportunity to see him play.

    Clifford gas done a piss poor job this year and Cho's offseason aquisitions were worse than the players they replaced while costing more.

    Next season is HUGE for this team. We cannot afford for Clifford or Cho to a repeat performance.
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    raginranger
    Mar 26 2015 04:23 PM

    Agree with the previous poster.  There is no viable way to assess Vonleh's future production at this point.  He simply hasn't played enough.

     

    I almost wish we were firmly out of the playoffs so we would have absolutely no reason not to play our young guys.

     

    If it becomes obvious we can't make the playoffs, I hope Clifford at least gives Hairston & Vonleh some minutes.

     

    I really don't get why guys like Gary Neal and Maxiell have played significantly more than them.

     

    Those guys are both 30+ and on the decline hard.  You know what you're getting from them.  Why not play the young guys and give them a chance to actually do something?  The result can't be any worse.

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    BrotherDave
    Mar 26 2015 07:13 PM

    It feels over to me.  Their body language is awful and the chemistry seems nonexistent.  

     

     

    My guess is they go hard after some of the following Brandon Knight, Monta Ellis, David West, Khris Middleton, Wes Matthews, Tobias Harris, Danny Green, Mike Dunleavy, 

    Knight:  No, thank you.  I think he's going to join the realm of the very overpaid.

    Ellis:  I'm a fan, but I don't think he and Kemba can coexist.

    West:  Too old.

    Middleton:  Indecisive.  

    Matthews:  Hell to the yes.  Was perfect for this team before the injury.  He's worth a gamble IMO.

    Harris:  Very interesting, not sure it's that big of a needle mover.

    Green:  I don't think the talent is there to make an impact.  

    Dunleavy:  Same with Green.  Very needed role players, just not momentum shifting.

    We've been pathetic these last few games. We don't even deserve to be in the Playoffs.

    It feels over to me.  Their body language is awful and the chemistry seems nonexistent.  

    Knight:  No, thank you.  I think he's going to join the realm of the very overpaid.

    Ellis:  I'm a fan, but I don't think he and Kemba can coexist.

    West:  Too old.

    Middleton:  Indecisive.  

    Matthews:  Hell to the yes.  Was perfect for this team before the injury.  He's worth a gamble IMO.

    Harris:  Very interesting, not sure it's that big of a needle mover.

    Green:  I don't think the talent is there to make an impact.  

    Dunleavy:  Same with Green.  Very needed role players, just not momentum shifting.

     

    curious as to what your take is on kemba? 

     

    * I am NOT, repeat not, trying to re-start the is he a starter or 6th man debate

     

    given his new contract, what would be your take on him going forward?

    -starting pg of the future, no need to shop further?

    -middle of the road starter, need to upgrade via trade or FA?

    -weaknesses outweigh strengths as far as roster building and he needs to be changed out?

     

    if it is option number one, what would be the other types of attainable players that are needed to put around him to have a truly ECF competitive team? i assume mkg is the only fixture and Al will opt in this year but can either be traded or let go the following year.

    I don't think Kemba is consistently good enough to warrant PGoTF status. When he's good, he's really good. When he's not.... P-U

    I hate saying it, but I think his ideal role is like Vinnie Microwave Johnson. Be that 6th man playing starter minutes when he's on and less when he's off. Great teams need a consistent PG these days.

    Keep him, obviously, because he averages out to 12-16 best PG in the league, but be on the lookout for upgrades.

    curious as to what your take is on kemba? 

     

    * I am NOT, repeat not, trying to re-start the is he a starter or 6th man debate

     

    given his new contract, what would be your take on him going forward?

    -starting pg of the future, no need to shop further?

    -middle of the road starter, need to upgrade via trade or FA?

    -weaknesses outweigh strengths as far as roster building and he needs to be changed out?

     

    if it is option number one, what would be the other types of attainable players that are needed to put around him to have a truly ECF competitive team? i assume mkg is the only fixture and Al will opt in this year but can either be traded or let go the following year.

     

    :facepalm: Of course you're not...

     

    But hey, might as well make this about Kemba since the product on the court certainly isn't worth talking about.

     

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    We asked 25 NBA folks -- a combination of executives, coaches and players -- to rank the point guards in the NBA from 1 to 30.

     

     

    It's behind the firewall, but here's the list:

     

    The top tier

    1. Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City Thunder (732 points, 13 first-place votes)
    2. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors (727 points, 9 first-place votes)
    3. Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers (652 points, 3 first-place votes)
    4. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers (630 points)
    5. Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers (614 points)
    6. John Wall, Washington Wizards (595 points)
    7. Mike Conley, Memphis Grizzlies (570 points)
    8. Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors (550 points)
    9. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs (511 points)
    10. Jeff Teague, Atlanta Hawks (499 points)

     

    The middle tier

    11. Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls (489 points)
    12. Goran Dragic, Miami Heat (467 points)
    13. Eric Bledsoe, Phoenix Suns (456 points)
    14. Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets (450 points)
    15. Rajon Rondo, Dallas Mavericks (436 points)
    16. Kemba Walker, Charlotte Hornets (420 points)
    17. Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Timberwolves (401 points)
    18. Jrue Holiday, New Orleans Pelicans (396 points)
    19. Reggie Jackson, Detroit Pistons (374 points)
    20. Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets (356 points)

     

    The bottom tier

    21. Brandon Jennings, Detroit Pistons (340 points)
    22. George Hill, Indiana Pacers (315 points)
    23. Darren Collison, Sacramento Kings (300 points)
    24. Brandon Knight, Phoenix Suns (287 points)
    25. Isaiah Thomas, Boston Celtics (125 points)
    26. Patrick Beverley, Houston Rockets (120 points)
    27. D.J. Augustin, Oklahoma City Thunder (92 points)
    28. Jarrett Jack, Brooklyn Nets (75 points)
    29. Mo Williams, Charlotte Hornets (73 points)
    30. Trey Burke, Utah Jazz (32 points)

     

     

    Now that's just opinion, but opinions based on executives, coaches and players carry some weight in value.

     

    Right now I agree, Kemba is middle tier and he's been wildly inconsistent.  I think you can point to injury in having an influence on that (both last year and this season), but in the end that's just an excuse.

     

    If there's a chance to upgrade OF COURSE you go for it...just like with any player.  For the short term tho I think the FO has Kemba penciled in at least for the next year or two in hopes that he can become more consistent/get in that top tier and I'm perfectly fine with that.

     

    Also keep in mind that 12 per might look on the high side now (not really; it's on par with those others in the middle tier), but when the cap busts 100 million it'll be considered just a little over what the MLE is now.

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    @JPlowright_NBA
    Mar 27 2015 08:21 AM

    It feels over to me.  Their body language is awful and the chemistry seems nonexistent.  

    Knight:  No, thank you.  I think he's going to join the realm of the very overpaid.

    Ellis:  I'm a fan, but I don't think he and Kemba can coexist.

    West:  Too old.

    Middleton:  Indecisive.  

    Matthews:  Hell to the yes.  Was perfect for this team before the injury.  He's worth a gamble IMO.

    Harris:  Very interesting, not sure it's that big of a needle mover.

    Green:  I don't think the talent is there to make an impact.  

    Dunleavy:  Same with Green.  Very needed role players, just not momentum shifting.

     

    Oh I know Green and Dunleavy are role players, not going to move the needle but should still be targets,

    Green especially, Reddick said the other day he was one of the toughest defender in the league, with that stroke as well he would fit in well.

    I don't think Knight will come here, almost a lock he stays in PHX, but still I would like us to make an offer.

    I agree on Ellis and his fit

    West is old, but if he came at say $6 million per year it would be worth it IMO

    Middleton I disagree on, he's a good shooter/passer/defender who is very versatile.

    Matthews - We're on the same wave length

    Harris,eh I'm not THAT kean on him, just get a bad vibe of an inconsistent good player on a bad team who struggles to fit into teams that don't make him the focal point

     

    We've been pathetic these last few games. We don't even deserve to be in the Playoffs.

     

    Totally agreed, we don't deserve to make the playoffs. Like I said before, I hope the FO takes action and doesn't just try to give this same group another year and blame it on injuries. Not saying we blow it up, I think we will improve year to year as a lot of our guys are younger with high ceilings, but we definitely need to figure out the wing position and move some driftwood, firstly we need to figure out who the driftwood is: Taylor? Daniels? Hairston?

     

    curious as to what your take is on kemba? 

     

    * I am NOT, repeat not, trying to re-start the is he a starter or 6th man debate

     

    given his new contract, what would be your take on him going forward?

    -starting pg of the future, no need to shop further?

    -middle of the road starter, need to upgrade via trade or FA?

    -weaknesses outweigh strengths as far as roster building and he needs to be changed out?

     

    if it is option number one, what would be the other types of attainable players that are needed to put around him to have a truly ECF competitive team? i assume mkg is the only fixture and Al will opt in this year but can either be traded or let go the following year.

     

    I would say Kemba is a middle of the road starter, he's inconsistent and his weaknesses (efficient scoring, jump shot, playmaking) hinder our team more than he would on others. I think you keep Kemba until either you're in a position to trade up in the draft for a guy with a really high ceiling who can hit the ground running. Or, we keep him until another point guard becomes available of comparable value who might fit the team better. 

     

    I don't think Kemba is consistently good enough to warrant PGoTF status. When he's good, he's really good. When he's not.... P-U

    I hate saying it, but I think his ideal role is like Vinnie Microwave Johnson. Be that 6th man playing starter minutes when he's on and less when he's off. Great teams need a consistent PG these days.

    Keep him, obviously, because he averages out to 12-16 best PG in the league, but be on the lookout for upgrades.

     

    I think if a team had Kemba as their 6th man they would be totally stacked, a top 3 playoff seed in either conference. We might get to that stage one day, but agree his inconsistency limits his value

    :facepalm: Of course you're not...

     

    But hey, might as well make this about Kemba since the product on the court certainly isn't worth talking about.

     

    http://insider.espn....oint-guards-nba

     

     

    It's behind the firewall, but here's the list:

     

     

    Now that's just opinion, but opinions based on executives, coaches and players carry some weight in value.

     

    Right now I agree, Kemba is middle tier and he's been wildly inconsistent.  I think you can point to injury in having an influence on that (both last year and this season), but in the end that's just an excuse.

     

    If there's a chance to upgrade OF COURSE you go for it...just like with any player.  For the short term tho I think the FO has Kemba penciled in at least for the next year or two in hopes that he can become more consistent/get in that top tier and I'm perfectly fine with that.

     

    Also keep in mind that 12 per might look on the high side now (not really; it's on par with those others in the middle tier), but when the cap busts 100 million it'll be considered just a little over what the MLE is now.

     

    100% agree with this post.

    I don't think things are so simple as to say if a team had Kemba as their 6th man, they'd be top three in either conference. PHX had three top shelf PGs at the same time and might not make the playoffs this year. I personally don't think we're that far off from being a success story even this year and I don't think you need to move Kemba to get there. You take away the mid 30% shooting Kemba had going on earlier in the year and of late, or you get Lance shooting at near 40% and this is a completely different w/l record. Will they roll out the same team next year with any success? I hope not as what's on paper and what's on the court don't match. But I could see something as simple as just swapping out one of our 9mm contract players for a more effective version of the same and we are looking at a better record.

    If we're really looking at cause and effect yet another discussion of the coach has to take place.  I think we all agree there are problems associated with having a 2nd year coach, and esp. one who seems fairly set in their way of doing things.  We've seen MKG grow under his tutelage; is that going to be the norm or an anomaly going forward?  If it's the latter can we ever expect to become a consistent success story without going away from the youth movement and stocking up on 28-32 year old vets?

    If we're really looking at cause and effect yet another discussion of the coach has to take place.  I think we all agree there are problems associated with having a 2nd year coach, and esp. one who seems fairly set in their way of doing things.  We've seen MKG grow under his tutelage; is that going to be the norm or an anomaly going forward?  If it's the latter can we ever expect to become a consistent success story without going away from the youth movement and stocking up on 28-32 year old vets?

     

    spot on, again

       The direction I would like us to is  continue the  youth movement .  One of two moves I would like to see

    Give up our first, a 2nd  PJ or Cody  or Noah  for  G Monroe.  sign and trade Putting it out their hoping it helps Al opt out

     

       2nd  move   I see is  up two ,, 2 of our  first  2 seconds  for Okafor  . This guy is the best I have  seen in years , He reminds me of a upgraded Duncan  at this point in his career

     Both moves lets Al know he's not long term . Hoping he opts out .

     

     If Al opted out  we would then have the money to sign two quality guys . Only parts I see unmovable is MKG and Kemba ,





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