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The Marco Belinelli CSI/Trade/Speculation/Rumor Thread


We can figure this out...

We know that SOMETHING is going to happen by July 7th and that right now the powers that be cannot talk about it.
But I think we put on our collective CSI hats we can figure out what's happening before then.

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To start things off, If you had to take an educated guess. What do you THINK is planned? What kind of move makes the most sense.


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    It's possible that Cho's worked out a way to re-sign all the players he wants, including Lin (who must be re-signed using straight cap space) but the math is really tight and hinges on the signings and trades taking place in a specific order to be legal. Since he isn't technically allowed to be negotiating with agents yet (but let's be real, everyone does ahead of time with their own players and some other team's players) it would be a violation of the CBA if anyone acknowledged it officially, hence the secrecy. Maybe "Cho did free agency a week and a half early" isn't the most fun theory out there, but it seems plausible to me. 

    How long till Marco Belinelli can be traded in part of a package deal? I know after/if we acquire him we can trade him 1 for 1 anytime but we can't package him with other players for a while.

    this is easy. presti regrets trading lamb and wants him back. he is looking to build around westbrook. durant is coming in a sign and trade with lamb, hawes, marvin going back.

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    Founding Hornet
    Jun 24 2016 09:19 PM
    It's clear that Milt Pilacio is involved
    The Magic need a new SG after trade Oladipo, it's clear that were trading Little Marco for Shabazz!

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    BrotherDave
    Jun 24 2016 09:58 PM

    The deal is actually #22, Lamb, and Kaminsky for Belinelli and Seth Curry to clear up space to sign Big Al to the max.

    It's a lock there are discussions for a 3-team deal between Sacramento, Charlotte, and Milwaukee. Charlotte wants FA space but the Kings and Bucks are over the soft cap so absorbing Hawes and/or Lamb cannot happen without trade until July. Also, Henson's PPP is a real bitch to move before July 1 if he’s on the table.

     

    Cho liked Brogdon but selecting him at 22 was a reach and 1st rounders carry cap holds, 2nds do not. Therefore, Cho unloaded #22 for Belinelli at the behest of Hammond and selected Richardson. Hammond in turn selected Brogdon at #36 for Cho. Sacramento is moving Belinelli to Milwaukee and drafted 4 players for trade(s) or go full tank mode.

     

    Sacramento's deals were interesting but possibly the Kings doing dumb Kings things. They traded #8 to Phoenix for #13 and #28 and reached for Georgios Pappagiannis at 13, selected Malachi Richardson 22nd, Skal Labisserie 28th, and Isaiah Cousins 59th. A team with DeMarcus Cousins (for now) and shouldn’t be stockpiling youth unless it’s for trade or tank.

     

    Also, you know who's up for extension with the Bucks? Giannis Antetokounmpo. Conspiracy theory dictates Georgios Pappagianis was selected for Milwaukee and will be traded along with fellow Greek National Kosta Koufos.

     

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    It's a lock there are discussions for a 3-team deal between Sacramento, Charlotte, and Milwaukee. Charlotte wants FA space but the Kings and Bucks are over the soft cap so absorbing Hawes and/or Lamb cannot happen without trade until July. Also, Henson's PPP is a real bitch to move before July 1 if he’s on the table.

     

    Cho liked Brogdon but selecting him at 22 was a reach and 1st rounders carry cap holds, 2nds do not. Therefore, Cho unloaded #22 for Belinelli at the behest of Hammond and selected Richardson. Hammond in turn selected Brogdon at #36 for Cho. Sacramento is moving Belinelli to Milwaukee and drafted 4 players for trade(s) or go full tank mode.

     

    Sacramento's deals were interesting but possibly the Kings doing dumb Kings things. They traded #8 to Phoenix for #13 and #28 and reached for Georgios Pappagiannis at 13, selected Malachi Richardson 22nd, Skal Labisserie 28th, and Isaiah Cousins 59th. A team with DeMarcus Cousins (for now) and shouldn’t be stockpiling youth unless it’s for trade or tank.

     

    Also, you know who's up for extension with the Bucks? Giannis Antetokounmpo. Conspiracy theory dictates Georgios Pappagianis was selected for Milwaukee and will be traded along with fellow Greek National Kosta Koufos.

     

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    It still doesn't explain the secrecy - it seems like once every year or two there's a trade agreed to on draft night that has to wait until the calendar rolls over to complete, and they're generally reported when the agreement is made - we knew the specifics of the Boston-Brooklyn trade in 2013 on draft night even though they had to wait until July to finalize it, and nobody got fined or otherwise penalized as far as I know. The only way I can make sense of it is that someone's done something they aren't allowed to (like negotiate a handshake agreement on a contract in June), but that the league will never be able to prove unless the sides acknowledge it. Otherwise they're just keeping things all hush-hush for no reason. 

    I'll stick with what I posited in the draft thread. Couldn't this be something where there are multiple contingencies; e.g. A S&T using Lin if amenable, or a trade for a salary dump involving Lamb, or the same with taking back a drafted big for Hawes. That wouldn't require a dialing as two out of three are not in the hands of the players. And it might explain why its all in process currently. We are talking about a team that needs a PG if they are splitting from Rondo and a team that doesn't need the bigs they drafted.
    Bucks are getting Richardson, Hawes, and Belinelli? Hornets getting MCW, Brogdon and Isiah Cousins? Kings getting Lamb and Henson?
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    Ashevillelin
    Jun 24 2016 11:12 PM

    Over on At The Hive, someone wrote a column saying one of Lee, Marco and Lamb won't be on the team next year. I'm kind of thinking maybe only one will be on the team next year, and I bet it's Marco. I bet Lamb is going in the deal that-shalt-temporarily-not-be-named. And I'm thinking that Lee may well be out of the team's price range. I wonder if Hawes will go in a trade too. And I haven't a clue about who we'll be getting. In this scenario Marvin and Lin are resigned.

     

    Two questions: Why did Marco's three-point shooting take such a dive last year? And is his defense just mediocre or is it downright awful?

     

    Assuming that Marco's three-point shooting returns to career averages, he will bolster the three-point shooting part of the team's identity, especially if MKG will be getting (hopefully)  34 minutes per, for 77 games. 

    Two questions: Why did Marco's three-point shooting take such a dive last year? And is his defense just mediocre or is it downright awful?


    I think Sacramento is the answer to #1, and I thought he was on par with Kevin Martin, don't expect him to outshine Al on defense for #2.

    Bucks are getting Richardson, Hawes, and Belinelli? Hornets getting MCW, Brogdon and Isiah Cousins? Kings getting Lamb and Henson?

     

    Yeah something like that. My guess is Cho could make a big move though potentially less involved than the Bucks and Kings. Those 2 franchises need major changes to unlock current players/draftees but MIL doesn't need young players, thus selling their other 2nd after snagging Brogdon. And the Kings are in classic hedge mode and IMO could go either way. If they move Boogie the Bucks would be a good partner of many with Charlotte's role likely picking up a reasonable side deal. 

     

    Also, Sacramento's prized vets on cheap contracts are Collison and Casspi, not Belinelli. If Sac tears it down they'd find plenty of takers with Milwaukee being first in line. Or even if they keep Boogie I still half expect Sac rolling Collison's expiring into a 3-4 team trade taking back a player like Brandon Knight or Bledsoe in PHX.

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    GeraldWallaceMVP
    Jun 25 2016 12:27 AM
    I'm guessing we do trade Belanelli but I'm not getting the sense there's something more within this deal
    2011 rewind!

    Same actors in place with mil,sac, and cha. In 2011, the deal was in place before the draft. This year, we still waiting.

    Same characters too...
    International mystery Center: Papagiannis vs Biyombo
    College Senior Guard: Brogdon vs Jimmer
    Intriguing Freshman wing: Richardson vs Harris

    It still doesn't explain the secrecy - it seems like once every year or two there's a trade agreed to on draft night that has to wait until the calendar rolls over to complete, and they're generally reported when the agreement is made - we knew the specifics of the Boston-Brooklyn trade in 2013 on draft night even though they had to wait until July to finalize it, and nobody got fined or otherwise penalized as far as I know. The only way I can make sense of it is that someone's done something they aren't allowed to (like negotiate a handshake agreement on a contract in June), but that the league will never be able to prove unless the sides acknowledge it. Otherwise they're just keeping things all hush-hush for no reason.


    The way I see it the hush-hush situation might be triggered by the player agents involvement, i.e. Jeff Schwartz. The Bucks employ 4 of his players, plus Kidd himself. Belinelli is also a member of the Schwartz agency....(so is Lamb, Al, Hans, and Walker).

    Over on At The Hive, someone wrote a column saying one of Lee, Marco and Lamb won't be on the team next year. I'm kind of thinking maybe only one will be on the team next year, and I bet it's Marco. I bet Lamb is going in the deal that-shalt-temporarily-not-be-named. And I'm thinking that Lee may well be out of the team's price range. I wonder if Hawes will go in a trade too. And I haven't a clue about who we'll be getting. In this scenario Marvin and Lin are resigned.

     

    Two questions: Why did Marco's three-point shooting take such a dive last year? And is his defense just mediocre or is it downright awful?

     

    Assuming that Marco's three-point shooting returns to career averages, he will bolster the three-point shooting part of the team's identity, especially if MKG will be getting (hopefully)  34 minutes per, for 77 games. 

     

    the only problem with this theory that i see is that the stated reason we don't know now is because it is on double secret probation until after the date you can officially sign free agents. this means there has to be a free agent involved. if it is one of the hornets returning back, they could just go ahead and announce the trade anyway. if it is the PPP scenario buckets outlined, they could just announce that too as all the players would be under contract. so, it has to be either a sign and trade of a hornet to another team or another team's FA coming in. also, there has to be a backup plan and that plan is what buckets outlined with all the draft picks that sac seems to hold. i wonder if the whole thing falls through if #22 doesn't get traded for marco and skal or another one of their picks. or even if there isn't a 3 team with mil that involves their picks and maybe lamb. there has to be contingencies on this. if we are speculating this much, you know the league is watching very closely.

    i will say this, this thread makes this year's crap draft much more interesting.

    That's true for sure! Brilliant idea of you ziggy :)

    the only problem with this theory that i see is that the stated reason we don't know now is because it is on double secret probation until after the date you can officially sign free agents. this means there has to be a free agent involved. if it is one of the hornets returning back, they could just go ahead and announce the trade anyway. if it is the PPP scenario buckets outlined, they could just announce that too as all the players would be under contract. so, it has to be either a sign and trade of a hornet to another team or another team's FA coming in. also, there has to be a backup plan and that plan is what buckets outlined with all the draft picks that sac seems to hold. i wonder if the whole thing falls through if #22 doesn't get traded for marco and skal or another one of their picks. or even if there isn't a 3 team with mil that involves their picks and maybe lamb. there has to be contingencies on this. if we are speculating this much, you know the league is watching very closely.




    This top part makes me second guess my hypothesis because mine would be dependent on a S&T using Lin as our preferred option. The more I think about it, that seems unlikely. Unless for some reason a S&T using Lee is the route, I think I might be missing the meat in the sandwich.

    Duh, it finally hit me with so many Euros: Belinelli, Pappagiannis, Divac, Ivica Dukan.....wait, Ivica Dukan? Yes that Ivica Dukan, the Director of International scouting for the Chicago Bulls.

     

    Early grainy photo from the early days in Croatia

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    And now with Toni Kukoc

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    "First Born Blood Oath"

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    Promise Delivered

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    "The Son"

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    Now the Croatian Sensation on a shaky non-guaranteed deal

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    Speaking off S&T. Joerger was fired by Memphis and hired by the Kings

     

     

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    THINK WE CAN GET JABARI PARKER FROM THE BUCKS IN THAT DEAL? @BUCKETS

    Speaking off S&T. Joerger was fired by Memphis and hired by the Kings


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    Right, he seems more likely the target than the other more obvious option (Lin) for a S&T, and to me, that's the only reason this is double-secret. That it's a S&T. But again, I assume the "in process" could also refer to alternatives such as a trade of Lamb if the S&T options don't have interest from the would-be signed.