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#41 Swedd523 Posted 02 April 2019 - 02:15 PM

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Our team goal at this point should be to lose the next three games and hope like hell Minnesota wins at least one game.   That would put is in our best possible draft position ( could have been as high as 8th, but in typical hornets fashion we had to go on a completely useless 4 game winning streak and lock ourselves in the 10-12 range)  

 

 

10th versus 11 is massive as it triples our chances at a top 4 pick.      Seriously... that winning streak was so freaking worthless and stupid its annoying.   These worthless moral victories are why we are consistently in mediocrity.    without that streak we'd be sitting at 31 wins and in the running for a 42% chance at a top pick in a top heavy draft.    UGGHGHGHGHHG

 

 

anyway.  locked into the Hornets typical spot at 10-13.   Bol Bol seems to be the only potential difference maker and also the biggest bust potential.   

I'd say we're stuck in mediocrity because we've massively overpaid non difference makers to long term contracts.

 

 

Doesn't really matter who we draft as soon as we lock up Kemba and Lamb long term and trot out the Kemba/Lamb/Batum/Marv/Cody/MKG rotation we've seen for the past few years.

 

Gonna take a lot more than a good draft pick to fix this mess


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#42 Keetch Posted 02 April 2019 - 06:28 PM

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Was thinking today about the likelihood that Kemba and Lamb sign elsewhere next year and how absolutely awful this team will be with Cap’n Nic our best player.

Then I remembered that the new draft lottery rules try to mitigate tanking (they don’t) while greatly diminishing the potential for the worst team (us) to get the first draft pick. That made me feel better (no it didn’t).
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#43 Keetch Posted 02 April 2019 - 06:32 PM

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Real bold to say go for BPA. If you’re picking 11th or 12th; who the F$:#*+]~k is that!!?
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#44 Adam42R Posted 02 April 2019 - 06:36 PM

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I think BPA is bullshit. It's rarely something that is objectively best available outside of some AD, Zion, LBJ type pick.
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#45 Keetch Posted 02 April 2019 - 06:43 PM

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Ask me next year this time who the BPA at the 12th pick is from this draft and I might be able to tell you. It’ll probably be Cam Johnson.
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#46 Whiz Kid Posted 02 April 2019 - 07:23 PM

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Bol Bol

Cam Reddish

Naz Reid

Rui Hachimura

Darius Bazley

Sekou Doumbouya 

 

Those are the prospects I like for us in that order.

 

If we resign Kemba and don't think the draft is the best way for our team to compete we package the pick and a player to someone who selling, surely someone will be considering that I expect a lot of movement this offseason.


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#47 GOBOBCATS24 Posted 02 April 2019 - 08:43 PM

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BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL. The man is too skilled, and if he had not gotten hurt would have been a guaranteed top 5 pick. Honestly he may still be a top 5 pick after draft workouts. Right now he is projected late lottery. I would love to get him.
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#48 QC Thundercats Posted 02 April 2019 - 09:47 PM

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In my 3 games I watched of him, I kinda liked PJ Washington. 6'8 athletic forward, has range to 3, can put it on the floor and get to the rim, strong.  Seems in the Tobias Harris mold.  Why can't we ever draft a Tobias Harris type, would be perfect for the team.

 

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*checks notes...with the 19th pick in the 2011 draft, the Hornets select, Tobias Harris.

 

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The karma gods just love messing with us.  Watch Kemba go to Utah next year to team with Donovan...who could've teamed up with him HERE!!!!.... god wheres my everclear when I need it on a tuesday....


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#49 Whiz Kid Posted 02 April 2019 - 10:28 PM

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In my perfect world we draft Bol Bol this year, let Kemba walk, then draft Lamelo Ball next year lmao.

 

Lamelo Ball/Devontae Graham

Malik Monk/Dwayne Bacon

Miles Bridges

Frank Kaminsky

Bol Bol/Willy Hernangomez

 

A young team I'd pay to watch.


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#50 Icky Thump Posted 02 April 2019 - 10:39 PM

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In my 3 games I watched of him, I kinda liked PJ Washington. 6'8 athletic forward, has range to 3, can put it on the floor and get to the rim, strong.  Seems in the Tobias Harris mold.  Why can't we ever draft a Tobias Harris type, would be perfect for the team.

 

....

 

*checks notes...with the 19th pick in the 2011 draft, the Hornets select, Tobias Harris.

 

.....

 

The karma gods just love messing with us.  Watch Kemba go to Utah next year to team with Donovan...who could've teamed up with him HERE!!!!.... god wheres my everclear when I need it on a tuesday....

 

 

The Utah crowd was chanting "WE WANT KEMBA!" last night... :(


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#51 cltblkhscoach Posted 02 April 2019 - 10:52 PM

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Who the hell wouldn't want him? Lol I think everyone in the league wants to pay him except us for whatever reason. Well, fans of us I should say.

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#52 GeraldWallaceMVP Posted 03 April 2019 - 08:41 AM

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Okay.

 

I did some research.

 

Kemba's cap hold for this offseason is only $18M. So we make all movements and then resign him last.Problem with that scenario is if he doesn't like the moves he can walk... Might be best to get his signature ASAP.

 

Here is what I see:

2019/20 Cap = 109M

Batum = 25.57

Kemba Cap Hold = 18.0

Cody Zeller = 14.47

Biz (Stretched) = 5.67

Marvin (Stretched) = 5.0

MKG (Stretched) = 4.33

Malik Monk = 4.03

Miles Bridges = 3.76

2019 12th Pick = ~3.75

Dwayne Bacon = 1.62

Devonte Graham = 1.42

 

That leaves us 21.38 Million under the salary cap. Not enough to add a second Max contract but, could attract someone better than Lamb?

Would need many minimum contracts to fill in the remainder of the roster.

 

I don't envy Mitch's job this offseason... unless the pressure is so low that MJ just tells him he has 2 goals. Resign Kemba and nail the draft picks... anything beyond that is going to be really difficult.

 

 

I wonder if we could find a way to get Demarcus Cousins for that price, maybe 1 year 21 mil then tell him next year once some more contracts off the books max


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#53 Mustachio Posted 03 April 2019 - 10:25 AM

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I'd say we're stuck in mediocrity because we've massively overpaid non difference makers to long term contracts.

 

 

Doesn't really matter who we draft as soon as we lock up Kemba and Lamb long term and trot out the Kemba/Lamb/Batum/Marv/Cody/MKG rotation we've seen for the past few years.

 

Gonna take a lot more than a good draft pick to fix this mess

 

 

 

Kemba... what a non-difference maker.   


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#54 Swedd523 Posted 03 April 2019 - 11:30 AM

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Kemba... what a non-difference maker.


You're purposely being disingenuous
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#55 Mustachio Posted 03 April 2019 - 02:49 PM

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You're purposely being disingenuous

 

 

I mean I don't think I am.   Is the entire point of your post not "we shouldn't resign Kemba and Lamb"  


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#56 Chef Posted 03 April 2019 - 05:08 PM

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I mean I don't think I am. Is the entire point of your post not "we shouldn't resign Kemba and Lamb"


I took it as Marv, Batum, Cody and mkg. Then as soon as you resign lamb and kemba, you are locked in for years with only kemba being a difference maker.
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#57 Swedd523 Posted 03 April 2019 - 06:32 PM

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I took it as Marv, Batum, Cody and mkg. Then as soon as you resign lamb and kemba, you are locked in for years with only kemba being a difference maker.

This.

 

But it's easier to be a dick about it for the sake of being a dick.

 

Nobody thinks Kemba isn't a difference maker.  Nobody thinks he NEEDS to leave.  The FO has just put themselves in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

 

 

The issue is the team is absolutely, 100% capped out.  Signing both of them to the contracts they'll require leads to exactly the situation you're willfully ignoring to acknowledge:  The exact same "core" that has been trotted out for the past few years.  Except it's another year older, another year worse, and another year more expensive.

 

Having Kemba doesn't matter at that point.  You still have Batum being a bum, Marv being old, Cody being hurt, MKG being a nonfactor, Lamb playing slightly above average, Biyombo being a nonfactor, etc.  That's 90% of your salary and you go absolutely nowhere.

 

At that point we might as well just write off next season as another Groundhog Day adventure.

 

The team needs dramatic, top to bottom, changes.


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#58 jfoster Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:05 PM

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This.

But it's easier to be a dick about it for the sake of being a dick.

Nobody thinks Kemba isn't a difference maker. Nobody thinks he NEEDS to leave. The FO has just put themselves in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.


The issue is the team is absolutely, 100% capped out. Signing both of them to the contracts they'll require leads to exactly the situation you're willfully ignoring to acknowledge: The exact same "core" that has been trotted out for the past few years. Except it's another year older, another year worse, and another year more expensive.

Having Kemba doesn't matter at that point. You still have Batum being a bum, Marv being old, Cody being hurt, MKG being a nonfactor, Lamb playing slightly above average, Biyombo being a nonfactor, etc. That's 90% of your salary and you go absolutely nowhere.

At that point we might as well just write off next season as another Groundhog Day adventure.

The team needs dramatic, top to bottom, changes.


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#59 Mustachio Posted 04 April 2019 - 01:57 PM

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This.

 

But it's easier to be a dick about it for the sake of being a dick.

 

Nobody thinks Kemba isn't a difference maker.  Nobody thinks he NEEDS to leave.  The FO has just put themselves in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

 

 

The issue is the team is absolutely, 100% capped out.  Signing both of them to the contracts they'll require leads to exactly the situation you're willfully ignoring to acknowledge:  The exact same "core" that has been trotted out for the past few years.  Except it's another year older, another year worse, and another year more expensive.

 

Having Kemba doesn't matter at that point.  You still have Batum being a bum, Marv being old, Cody being hurt, MKG being a nonfactor, Lamb playing slightly above average, Biyombo being a nonfactor, etc.  That's 90% of your salary and you go absolutely nowhere.

 

At that point we might as well just write off next season as another Groundhog Day adventure.

 

The team needs dramatic, top to bottom, changes.

 

 

I guess I just don't understand the point you're trying to make.    We all agree that Batum, MKG, Cody and Marv are dead weight for one more season.  You brought up Kemba as a continuation of those contracts and i think thats wrong.   

 

 

If Kemba is a difference maker, his contract has nothing to do with the other bums on the roster.   You sign him.    If he isn't... you don't.  

 

 

Next year is going to be a Groundhog Day adventure no matter what.   Letting Kemba walk doesn't help a damn thing.  Sign Kemba, deal with dead weight as you are able.   


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#60 Chef Posted 04 April 2019 - 02:11 PM

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I guess I just don't understand the point you're trying to make. We all agree that Batum, MKG, Cody and Marv are dead weight for one more season. You brought up Kemba as a continuation of those contracts and i think thats wrong.


If Kemba is a difference maker, his contract has nothing to do with the other bums on the roster. You sign him. If he isn't... you don't.


Next year is going to be a Groundhog Day adventure no matter what. Letting Kemba walk doesn't help a damn thing. Sign Kemba, deal with dead weight as you are able.


This a terrible situation. Charlotte may have to win the lottery to convince kemba to re-sign.
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